LOOK-Paint your own car cheap

[billybob]

I have just read all this thread on a US MOPAR site twice-about 2 hours and taken some notes.
It is quite amazing.
Also got the details of the UK dealer for this stuff.
It basically tells you how to paint a car using an enamel paint to a pro standard.
Click on the pics and look at the bugs the guy has done like this.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Might give it a try.

[totalybuggered]

I have just read all this thread on a US MOPAR site twice-about 2 hours and taken some notes.
It is quite amazing.
Also got the details of the UK dealer for this stuff.
It basically tells you how to paint a car using an enamel paint to a pro standard.
Click on the pics and look at the bugs the guy has done like this.
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2331682&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

Might give it a try.


a looooong time ago when petrol was £1 a gallon me and a couple of mates hand painted a car with brushes and it shines .give it a go if you have the time :D

[Morte]

Looks excellent. Got to be worth trying on a single panel, if you can find a suitable enamel paint.

[totalybuggered]

rolls royces used to be hand painted :D might still be

[billybob]

But it's not hand painted. It is rollered with a small foam roller.
There is a UK dealer for the paint the guy uses.
The thread has certainly had a load of interest over there.

[totalybuggered]

But it's not hand painted. It is rollered with a small foam roller.
There is a UK dealer for the paint the guy uses.
The thread has certainly had a load of interest over there.

no ,but its a gloss roller they used brushes first:D

[billybob]

Bloody good finish though.
You could also spray the stuff.
Have you seen the link to his photobucket account with the close ups.

[57Aircooled]

there used to be a company call re-paint
i painted my first car with it and a brush :crazy:

looked terrable and took me weeks to sand it down to spray it
turns out its a hell of a lot harder than it looked.
it dries before youve finished your stroke
like hammeright in the sun

good luck

[cpt caveman]

It is quite amazing.
Also got the details of the UK dealer for this stuff.

Looks like it could be worth a go :D
Do you have a link ??

[xdavex70]

is this the stuff??

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=130315&MAN=Rustoleum-7314-Combicolor-Paint-Smooth-Gold-New-750-Ml

[redhouse53]

everything he says is about right as far as i can tell

a lot of paintshops use this method to apply primer to small areas for the same reasons, i.e saves tying up the booth for small jobs, the fitters cando it, no fumes etc,

the key to getting a good result though is in the colour sanding. I think you'de be very lucky not to have to spend a lot of time sanding and polishing.

got to be worth a go if you can find a quality paint ;)

[billybob]

is this the stuff??

http://www.tooled-up.com/Product.asp?PID=130315&MAN=Rustoleum-7314-Combicolor-Paint-Smooth-Gold-New-750-Ml

That seems to be the stuff.
It has to be the gloss though which they only do in some colours.

He says you use a ratio of 20% roughly of mineral spirits. What is the UK eqivalent of mineral spirits? Is that White spirit?

Like he says most of the work is in the prep. I can prep a car for paint, but never tried spraying ( mainly as got nowhere dust free with the space) and thought this may be a cheap alternative.

He says 2 coats the wetsand with 600, another 2 then 800, another 2 then 1000. Then compound polish & wax. Reckons on 3 days work.
What you reckon?

[xdavex70]

I'm going to give it a go on an old panel. I'd love to spray my car when it is ready, but the more I read about spraying the more dubious I am about doing a decent job. Will let you know how I get on!!

[billybob]

Cool
Think I'm going to do the same.

[xdavex70]

just found this on a painting web site...so looks like mineral spirits = white spirits...

Mineral spirits is based on petroleum and has a moderate evaporation rate, releasing harmful vapours. It is not absorbed through healthy skin. Mineral spirits is less expensive than turpentine. Some people react less to mineral spirits than to turpentine. Mineral spirits is a stronger solvent than odourless mineral spirits. Also known as white spirits.

Odourless mineral spirits is based on petroleum and has a moderate evaporation rate. It is not absorbed through healthy skin. It's more expensive than normal mineral spirits as it has had some of the harmful aromatic solvents removed. Brands include Turpenoid, Thin-ex, Gamsol.

[Nic B-C]

Isnt this just coach paint, bloody cheap and easy to use?

[chey]

bah no purple or would have given it a go

[Mr_Wobble]

I remember some threads on here about people painting their vans in coach paint, but this seems a little different. Acutally, it sounds a lot like Smoothrite, but better. I'm definitely taking notes, bookmarking threads, and sites, for future reference.

Painting my project has been plagueing my mind for ages, with all the spraying, etc. I think I may have found the solution now. :) I reckon I'll spray etch prime it, flat down, then go for Rustoleum (or is it Rust-oleum) or Tremclad.

Just got to find a supplier of the paint, rollers, brushes, and "mineral spirit".

What the hell is "Mineral Spirits" that they keep on refering to?

[jboom]

thanks for this billybob, very interesting indeed :) I was considering coach paint, but this looks better, the orange bug is amazing !!

would be really interested to hear peoples thoughts if anyone gives this a go :)

[billybob]

Well all seems promising.
Have spoken to Rust-oleum UK. The Europe product range is packaged differently to that in the USA and is made in Holland rather than the US. However I have established that the combicolour (as on the tooledup.com link above-thanks) is the same as the protective enamel marketed in the states.
It is a white spirit based high gloss enamel paint.
It can be sprayed too when mixed with thinner at a concentrate of 10-25% depending on temperature (which is roughly what the guy says on the mopar site).
The paint can be used at any air temp between 5 and 35 degrees.

So realistically, it would be quicker to spray it using the same consistency as it seems if your prep work is good, the majority of the work is in the colour sanding, cutting and polishing at the end and between coats.

How about this was a cheap spray tool. Should be good enough for a project like this and frost only normally sell tried and tested stuff?

http://www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=8772

[billybob]

Ordered some paint. A tin of high gloss red to test the theory.
Got an old MK2 GP dash in the loft I will try it on, as the guy says it is a tried and tested method on GRP.
Will let you know how I get on.

[veedub-mat]

Sounds and looks superb!
just a few questions from that website, which of the colours were gloss? did it say? what would smooth be like?
also is the high density foam roller the 4 inch one that the guy was talking about. its 4 quid off the same site.?
I up for trying it!

[Don84]

might have to give that ago, i was gona spray mine with my own gear, but that looks super cool

[billybob]

The agent said all the smooth are high gloss as does the product info on the downloads on tooledup.com
The high density rollers can be bought in B&Q. A pack of 10 is about £6. Went there last night to research it.

[veedub-mat]

nice one, Im looking at the light blue- how do you fancy my chances with half white/half blue? masking and spraying sounds easier to do than masking and using a roller, should I stick to one colour? (its for a bay) the quality of the joining line worries me a bit. ah ill just have a go and see.

[billybob]

The guy says about this on that thread. Apparently once you have painted you can colour sand without the two clours merging, so it would just be a pain with the masking.

[veedub-mat]

this sounds too good to be true! let us know how you get on with your test, im gona order some 2moro.

[FBJ]

used a method back in the day to paint the bottom of bays before selling.
two people. one with a foam gloss roller, one with a pure bristle good quality(about £12) brush and white spirit.
one panel at a time first guy rollers the whole panel. (it will leave micro bubbles and look bad!)
2nd guy with brush dipped in white sprit then dried on a rag, draws the brush across the paint to smooth and burst the micro bubbles.
best done in a cool dust free garage.
with practice, and good paint. you can get a finish that is as good as spraying. :)

[kevmac]

I am about to jump in and try this method, one question can the rustoleum be thinned with white spirit or do you need to purchase the thinner that is mentioned on the data sheet?

[totalybuggered]

nice one, Im looking at the light blue- how do you fancy my chances with half white/half blue? masking and spraying sounds easier to do than masking and using a roller, should I stick to one colour? (its for a bay) the quality of the joining line worries me a bit. ah ill just have a go and see.

you could get over that by using a sticky wallpaper dado :D :incheek: :D

[billybob]

The guy says thin with mineral spirits which I am reliably informed above is white spirits.

[Jinx]

i rollered the roof of my splitty with just domestic primer last year - used it straight from the tin so a bit thick but i wanted a high build!
sanded the original paint using a 4" palm sanderand 80 grit paper! then -
used a 4" roller to smooth after brushin it on dried bloddy quick so little shit in it also done outside!
just looks like a poor spray job! (orange peely)
but no one has ever mentioned it other than 'you did what !' when i tell them !
still in primer now ! im planning on flatting it and then using a satin finish for that faded look!
koz the van is bolloxed anyway!

[devildriver]

Billybob do you reckon this would be any good for painting a buggy chassis? Looking for a cheap but durable alternative to having a paint shop job done.

[samthomas33]

man this hole painting thing is getting my mind ticking, i recon i might give it a go you know as my vans already in red oxide pimer. it cant look any worse can it????

[Ben '71 1200]

Suitable for GRP eh? so good for painting my buggy? Sounds interesting...

[Shaun_Wells]

Let's see some before and after pictures of people that have attempted this...

[setsquare]

I think what this guy is saying will work. I can do it with gloss paint around the house so why not on a car? I would recommend thoroughly filling the roller with paint first then squeezing it all out before use. Otherwise you will get loads of air bubbles from the foam on the paint as you roll it on. The paint fills all the little air holes in the sponge.

[billybob]

The guy said it is a tried and tested method on fibreglass as boat builders use it.
He also says you can spray it just the same as normal paint if you have somewhere dust free etc.
I just bought some spray equipment so will be spraying the stuff. But as soon as that and the paint arrives, I'll give it a go, before turning my garage into a dust free spray booth which will probably take more time and effort than painting a car.

[billybob]

bugger-1151 views

[billybob]

The tin of rust-oleum arrived today. If the colour inside matches the lid i'll be very happy. The lid has a great glossy shine to it.
HVLP Spray equipment also arrived, so will get it done in next week or so and post results.
I will try one coat at first (being lazy) then wetsand, cut & polish to see what happens.

[veedub-mat]

any joy then? im dying to know if this works well.
my van has had a very poor paint job in the past, with a brush it seams and there has been no effort at all to flatten it or polish it up, so anything i do to it will make a massive difference.
ive got the rollers and white spirit, gona buy a few cans of primer and have a go at my roof when the paint arrives. ill let you all know how i get on

[billybob]

Sorry not yet.
Been a bit busy with a customers buggy.
Will try & have a go on Friday.

[Monkeydub]

yeah looking forward to seeing the results

[DubDubz]

what have peeps been quoted for this stuff

I can get it at

400ml £5.35+vat
750ml £9.95+vat
2.5l £25.25+vat

is this good?

[Monkeydub]

Where from... tooledup?

[slimebomb]

this looks cool i cant wait to see the results, as i have a bug a bay and a split waiting to get paint!! could save me the cost of a small island! :D

Three cans of rust-oleum and a small island please mr shop keeper. :)

[DubDubz]

not from tooled up - just from a hardware store near me..........

[billybob]

It was about £12 from tooled up so that is cheap

[DubDubz]

but don't have all colours in and 9.95 +vat is 11.69, wanted 7342 cos it looks a bit like beryl green [ light sage ] but it says on tooledup that this is ivory - bugger

[DubDubz]

any updates - my supplier is puting order in soon - but not soon enough for me to try this weekend

[jjojjas]

I ain't read the whole thread, but on old landrovers its not uncommon to hand paint. Don't assume it will look crap either! you can get an excellent finish. heres a link if your seriously looking to handpaint a motor
http://www.stephen.hull.btinternet.co.uk/

[billybob]

any updates - my supplier is puting order in soon - but not soon enough for me to try this weekend

All going well, should have an update tomorrow night.

[veedub-mat]

I do like the colour combination on the taxi on jjojjas' link- black over sapphire blue. just shows how useful this technique is, the quality is really good
ordering my paint today.

[billybob]

Well just painted.
The colour has come out really glossy, but I did mix a bit too much spirits in. I sprayed it on using the appollo spraymate from Frost (see previous link-although I found one on e-bay for £94.99).
The sprayer works really well-alot better than I expected.
I meant to put in 80ml of paint and 20ml of spirits, but over poured the first bit so tried to guess it. Got it a bit runny. Went on fantastic on the flat parts, but ran a bit on the vertical.
Will post up some pics tonight.
Will let it dry properly and then wetsand it.

[Ben '71 1200]

I look forward to seeing it. The buggy really does need a lick of paint. Do they do it in a kind of khaki green?

[billybob]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/billybobbuggista/IMG_0268.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/billybobbuggista/IMG_0270.jpg

There are a few runs in it and it's a bit thin inplaces, but I definately think that's because I used a bit much spirits.
Be a bit busy for next week, but will colour sand the first coat and then give it a second using less spirits, the use a compund then polish.
The paint itself looks quite shiny already though. They said it was a high gloss finish and they were right.

[DubDubz]

that looks quite good - especially as you say it was a hit and miss affair as you thinned it too much..........

def think it's worth trying - that way my bus can look less f**ked up and a bit presentable. Lets face it Bays ain't really old enough to be ratty imo.

[king dweeb]

Are you saying that you sprayed it on? After reading through this I thought it was gonna be painted on with a roller and brush. :rolleyes:

[billybob]

Are you saying that you sprayed it on? After reading through this I thought it was gonna be painted on with a roller and brush. :rolleyes:

Yes I was going to roller it on. But being one looking for the quick fix, I thought 6 coats with coloursanding after every other coat sounded like alot of work. That would take even longer on a van.
So I bought an Appollo Spraymate brand new off ebay then sprayed the rust-oleum paint on it instead.

[billybob]

Was also the first time I've ever used a spray gun. Think if the paint was thicker, I wouldn't have had to put so much on which should also have helped stop any runs.

[vanmonkey]

i use 2in1 combi @ work, wicked stuff

[xdavex70]

Hi - looks like a good finish. Will be interesting to see how it comes up with sanding and polishing. Did you use Rustoleum primer or something else?

[halfpint_fighter]

If a van is already painted would you need to completely bare metal it or could you rough it up then primer it?

[gwladys]

evening.i have just been looking at previous threads about hand painting.did you ever hand paint your van.if so what was the result like.Tony

[billybob]

Not sure on the answers.
The fibreglass dash I used to paint was already quite rough. I went over it with a 600 paper and then painted straight on.
The MOPAR link says no need to prime, so I would expect you could just give an already painted surface a light key then paint this stuff on top.

[Ben '71 1200]

How much do you reckon I'd need for a whole Albar buggy? Would one of the 2.5l tins be enough?

[veedub-mat]

is the smooth stuff what im after, as i cant see anything that says its gloss?
cheers

[billybob]

All the smooth stuff is gloss-or so they told me.
2.5l should be enough for a buggy.
The US guy reckons he did a whole dodge charger with that much!

[jboom]

Thanks for keeping us updated BillyBob, seems like it's coming out good :) that first cut looks OK to me. It's getting me itching to do my van now ;) !!!

[billybob]

Thanks for keeping us updated BillyBob, seems like it's coming out good :) that first cut looks OK to me. It's getting me itching to do my van now ;) !!!

No worries dude.
Won't get a chance to finnish it until the weekend and will post up some more pics.
Cheers

[chey]

we are gonna baremetal our bug, was thinking of then spraying por15 metal ready on it then normal primer, would that be ok then for us to paint this rustoleum over the top.

Our purple respray is a long way off and we are thinking of painting it temporarily black with this stuff untill we can save up for the respray (channeling money into structure and mechanics at the mo)

[veedub-mat]

seems like this stuff doesnt even need primer, but you may need it to keep everything nice and straight, reckon this could be more than just a temporary measure though, have good go at it and it seems it will last for a while, i agree with you putting your money into the mechanics, the paint work can wait, but let us know how you get on with it. is there no purple?

[chey]

no i couldnt find a purple :(

will give it the best go i can, but it will be my first time at spraying for over 16 years, apart from arsehole cans that is.

when i say temp it will probably end up being on there for 2-3yrs knowing how good we are at saving LOL

if anyone finds a purple let me know pls

or do you think mixing a red and blue together would work?

[Lister]

http://www.tooled-up.com/Artwork/ProdPDF/RUS2%20COLOUR%20CHART.pdf

This is the tooled up colour chart, there is a purple on here.

[habib99]

Got to give this stuff a go - I've already got spray setup so will try HVLP ing it but to avoid using 2pack again and the health hazard that goes with it -at least I'll try a few panels and see how it looks.

White spirits -is this different to Turps/ and what about the substitute stuff different again, I've never used white spirits, is it available from B&Q?

cant wait to have a blast :D

[Mr_Wobble]

If you can't find the colour you want, or the shade you want, is there anything to stop you mixing various colours of Rustoleum together? Is there any reason you can't/shouldn't?
I did it with Smoothrite to produce various interesting shades of pink and lime green, and it worked a treat. :)

[chey]

If you can't find the colour you want, or the shade you want, is there anything to stop you mixing various colours of Rustoleum together? Is there any reason you can't/shouldn't?
I did it with Smoothrite to produce various interesting shades of pink and lime green, and it worked a treat. :)


exactly my idea,


oh and thanks for the colour chart Lister,

i think the dark blue and the dark red may well do it as we are looking for a darker purple not a lilac

theres a metallic purple on here that i have not found on any english sites yet
http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=22&SBL=1

and there is a dark purple non metallic on this page, once again not found over here yet!!!
http://www.rustoleum.com/product.asp?frm_product_id=18&SBL=1

at the prices you lot have been saying for a whole car, wtf just give it a go, thats what im thinking now

[Morte]

If you can't find the colour you want, or the shade you want, is there anything to stop you mixing various colours of Rustoleum together? Is there any reason you can't/shouldn't?
I did it with Smoothrite to produce various interesting shades of pink and lime green, and it worked a treat. :)


As long as you mix enough first time:) Would be risky trying to mix a second batch to the desired colour.

[billybob]

had a good look at what I painted. finnish is better than I thought now dried. still really shiny.

[Morte]

What about streaks?

[billybob]

No naked people

[splitvw2]

This really does look good Ive never painted any thing before but have compressor and spray gun! What is colour sanding please? and is it worth spraying or should I roller it ? All help is much appreciated

[andyguitarboy]

ttt

[Ben '71 1200]

This really does look good Ive never painted any thing before but have compressor and spray gun! What is colour sanding please? and is it worth spraying or should I roller it ? All help is much appreciated


If you have a compressor and gun you may as well go at it with that in my opinion

Colour sanding is using a very fine grade abrasive paper to sand out imperfections eg orange peel. I'm sure someone else can expand, or explain better

[billybob]

Well colour sanded today using plenty of water and a 1000 grit paper. Took all the shine off the paint and in places you can now see through the paint so it needs another coat. If spraying I reckon another good coat should do it. No pics as it was just too damm cold.
The surface feels lovely and smooth to the touch though.

[David.H]

I just ordered the 750ml Tin from Tooled up of 7323 Blue. Going to give it a bash next week. If it goes tits up then its not a great deal of cash invested. Car has gone from this so far when I got it last November:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/bug2.jpg
To this so far:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/feb06.jpg

[HOT 1200]

I painted my wifes 1200 bug with marine enamel 5 years ago...

The preperation must be to the same standard as if you were going to have the car sprayed...you cant paint over lumps, bumps, flakes and rust.......

I used a 4in gloss roller, flat down the first coats and then finish with the second.....the results were fantastic.......I went the extra mile and did it in two tone......light blue over ivory......
some new chrome trim, bumpers and the car looked brand new....

The advantge of using marine enamel is.
1. its UV stable......
2. it will handle all weathers and conditions....
3. when it hardends.....its seriusly hard!!!
4. its waterproof.....
5. theres a massive range of colours to choose from..
(just visit your local marine supplier)
we used 'BLAKES' and also 'INTERNATIONAL'...
They also do a 'below the water line primer' for metal boats...
We painted the entire under sections of the beetle with it (floors, chassis, inner arches....) Not a single spot of rust came back!!!!

Theres lots to be learnt from the the marine industustry...they are miles ahead of the car industry when it comes to coatings....

Gav

[Andy4d]

billybob - do you know the colour code for the red you used? thats exactly the sort of red i want to do my bug with but not sure if its the 'bright red', or 'traffic' (7365 / 7366)?

thanks

[jopro]

Thats coz they have to deal with a sea load of salt water :)
I saw a paint label on a shipping container, of about 5 different coats they all say 'zinc rich'

[billybob]

Andy I used the 7365 red. It is a very bright red which I like.
I agree with Hot 1200. The prep work has to be to the same standard.
A guy has just bought the dash off me so I never got a chance to do the second coat, but I must say I would try this on a car next time or a buggy shell. Was easier than I thought.

[DubDubz]

this thread is useless without more pics............

[zeroaxe]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/zeroaxe/worthlessboobies.gif

[zeroaxe]

DOH!

Sorry, wrong link http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/zeroaxe/slap2.gif :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/zeroaxe/uselesswithoutpics.gif

[rob mcreedie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/zeroaxe/worthlessboobies.gif

very true :)

this looks really good stuff, just read through the thread and to be fair the painted red dash looks pretty good!!

[billybob]

I thought it looked good. Like I said though colour sanded it back and now needs another coat, but a guy has bought the dash. Got nothing else to practice on at the moment except a new buggy shell!!!!!!!!
Sure it would work fine.

[newbievw]

Hi All
Just caught up with this thread. I too noticed the comment on Mopar some time ago. I was living in the states at the time and decided to have a go. I have no paint spraying knowledge or experience but just followed the guys in structions and the result was awesome. Unfortunately no pictures as I now live back in the UK and flogged the car when I left the US

I too have contacted the UK Rust-Oleum company in Tewkesbury and they back up all that has been posted so far. I'm in the process of building a 1957 Porsche 356 replica and intend on using combi enamel paint, rollered on with me trusty B&Q foam roller.....

Give it a go it works!

Matt

[billybob]

Thanks for the input. Nice to know someone has done it with great results.
Cheers

[David.H]

My paint turned up this morning so I am going to get the first few coats on today and will be taking pics of results. I have gone for Rustoleum 7323 Blue.

[David.H]

Start with a Fibreglass decklid, sanded with 800 wet and dry and then wiped over with degreaser

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/START.jpg

After first coat

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/COAT1.jpg

[David.H]

2nd coat on the decklid:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/COAT2.jpg

1st Coat on bare metal rear wing:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT1.jpg

I must admit this really is a doddle. I'll put another coat on the wing later and let them dry overnight and then colour sand tommorow. I really think though that 4 coats may even be enough I guess I will see tommorow when I sand.

[andyguitarboy]

Are you rollering this on or spraying? I am planning to do this as soon as i win a HVLP sprayer off ebay. Thought it might speed things up a bit. :)

[David.H]

I am using a roller, I do have a HVLP spray gun but I think this way is much easier. Time is not really a factor for me :D

[DarkHorse]

Think I might try it on the new bonnet I've got for my bug. Which colour do you think looks closest to Elm green?

Can anyone see the pictures, what's the paint brush he was talking about?

And does he mean use an electric buffer to polish it up?

[David.H]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT2.jpg

Rear wing 2nd Coat

[zeroaxe]

Thanks for the update/pics. Looks great so far!

I can not find that paint here in France. I have been looking into other laquer (enamel paint is translated into laquer paint in French, so this is what I was searching for) paint. I found a wicked colour I like, but after bringing it home and painting the first coat on the small 'nose' of the gearbox, I realised that it is a satin finish. And it doesn't mention "Satin" on the tin. Bugger :( I can not go and paint my 1303 in a satin colour.... So I have been told by my boss that one can paint a clear gloss over it and 'all will be well'.... is this the case???

Otherwise, I will have to go to the website in the UK, order it and get it delivered to my mate's house, and pick it up only in June when I go and visit him....... Bugger :(

[David.H]

Why not contact Rustoleum in France and find a stockist that way:

Southern Europe - France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Switzerland, Belgium; North Africa
Daniel Cormenier, Vice President, Sales - Southern Europe
Rust-Oleum/France S. A.
11 rue Jules Verne
St. Leu, France
+33 1 30 40 0044 Phone
+33 1 30 40 9980 Fax
E-mail: d.cormenier@ro-m.com

[zeroaxe]

Cheers for that! I will see if I can make out something on their website(if www.ro-m.com is their's)... I still dont have this Frog-Language figured out yet:mad:

[zeroaxe]

Will this be the actual product to buy though? http://www.ro-m.com/asp/productgroup.asp?ID=4 And a brief look on the site, I couldnt see a colour chart?

Cheers!

[bfg69bug]

...but after bringing it home and painting the first coat on the small 'nose' of the gearbox, I realised that it is a satin finish


it will be on something like that, give it another 1 or 2 coats and it¥ll be shiney.

[ady77]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT2.jpg

Rear wing 2nd Coat

Hi Mate,
That looks like the results are veru good, are their any runs close up and is it a smooth finish close up........what % paint to white spirit did you use?
look forward to seeing more pics :)

[zeroaxe]

Hmmm.... ok. I have given it 2 coats in total, but it hasnt turned out glossy yet. I might have a chance to give it another coat tomorrow(I hope)....

[David.H]

Hi Mate,
That looks like the results are veru good, are their any runs close up and is it a smooth finish close up........what % paint to white spirit did you use?
look forward to seeing more pics :)

I have been using the guys rule of thumb on the Mopars site 4:1. Its only the second coat but does need to be flattened. It does give a very smooth finish and is still very glossy.

If anyone is interested in the UK here is the shopping list I used:

From B&Q
B&Q White Spirit 750ml 74p
B&Q Value 4" Roller tray under £2 I think (I only wanted it for the tray)
Hamilton Roller handle Under £2
Pack of 10 Hamilton foam rollers £8.99

From Tooled-Up.com
Rustoleom Combi-colour paint

From Car Paints shop
Tub of Slow Degreaser (About a fiver I think for a litre)
Various wet and dry sandpaper 800,1000,1200,2000 (I dont think you can get this fine a grade from B&Q)

From Tesco
Lint free Microcloths about £1
Plastic cups x25 (For mixing paint 46p

[t3madman]

Well, thats me decided!! Definately going to get some paint for my van.

Friend of mine has bought some paint to test and has borrowed my HVLP system and I was going to wait until he has done his tests before I go for it, but those pictures look awesome. Got to do it now!

[billybob]

That looks great.
The blue like the red seems to shine well and I'm led to believe will keep the shine too.
Being essentially lazy, I bought an HVLP spray system from ebay and a an electric polisher from ebay too although never got to use the polisher.
Really pleased people are giving this a go.
Darkhorse the paint brush referred too is a foam pad one which you can get in B&Q etc. Will be by the little foam rollers. The polisher is an orbital polisher which can be electric or an air tool.

[David.H]

Back again with more pics. Paint hardened quite nicely overnight despite the low temperatures. I colour sanded and put a third coat on and it looks like this now.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/COAT3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT3.jpg

3th Coat pics to come later today.

[Ben '71 1200]

Looks like I need to make an order if that was just rollered on... I have alot of shell to paint and this looks like a fantastic way of doing it

[David.H]

Coat No 4

Some cracking effect has appeared so I reckon I made the mix a bit to thick. Tommorow once it has hardened I am going to sand with 2000 wet and dry and try to get it all flat and even. If that is successful then I will have a go at cutting and polishing. Fingers crossed.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/COAT4.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT4.jpg

[DubDubz]

man that looks good......how is it up close - can you do a hand in the paint shot - ie to kinda show how good shine is, what's it like out in the sunshine?

[David.H]

I would if we had any sunshine :D

[zeroaxe]

That is good to see... However, photos never do the real thing justice. I am sure you have seen show quality paint work before on show cars. How would you honestly say this method compares?

I am considering trying to send the French branch of Rustoleum an email to ask where the suppliers are. I "NEED" this orange colour that I have got now (the Satin finish), and wonder if they can mix it up? I did see "Colour Shop" link on the Rustoleum website? Anyone know if they can? If that is the case, it opens a LOT of possibilities for EVERYONE! :hangloose

[zeroaxe]

Well, I have got it on good authority that a colour CAN indeed be mixed!!! Woooooottt!

Now I just have got to get the wife to send an email in French to ask where the closest local supplier is that has got the tinting machine. Damn....., cant wait!!!

[Dangerousdave1972]

I've just ordered some purple and cream from tooled up. hopefully should have it for the weekend to try out on the van. I've borrowed an HVLP sprayer and got some 4" rollers so I'll try both methods

I may post some pics here if it all goes well.

Dave

[zeroaxe]

Is it just me, or is this the next big thing after sliced bread!? :D

[ady77]

Right, thats mine ordered. I am going to be doing my beach buggy, must be worth ago, so next step is down to B&Q :D

[billybob]

Can everyone send me the difference in what it costs them to paint the car compared with what they would have paid a paintshop.
I accept PAYPAL. My address is ohboyihopesomeoneisreallystupidandactuallydoesthis @paypal.co.uk
Thanks

[devildriver]

Can everyone send me the difference in what it costs them to paint the car compared with what they would have paid a paintshop.
I accept PAYPAL. My address is ohboyihopesomeoneisreallystupidandactuallydoesthis @paypal.co.uk
Thanks

:D :D :D :D

[Baybee]

From Tooled-Up.com
Rustoleom Combi-colour paint




how long ago did you make your order with them and how long did it take to be delivered??
Cos we are still waiting for our order from them!!!

[David.H]

They say 48 hours but really took 4 days I think in the end.

More pics.

After the glazing problem I had to sand it all flat and put another coat on. The other rear wing which I had already put 2 coats on I did not bother to sand and put a thid coat on today. Also put first coat on the rear valance.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/COAT5.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARLWINGCOAT5.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/REARRWINGCOAT3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/RVALANCECOAT1.jpg

[David.H]

I've put my progress so far on the web here:

http://www.davidh74.plus.com/beetle1.htm

[andyguitarboy]

Good stuff mate, keep web site going it looks ace
:)

[billybob]

You are doing great buddy. Keep it up.

[Baybee]

anyone else still waiting for there orders from tooled-up???
I've been waiting 10 days now and no sign of it!!
I've emailed them and complained and they haven't replied to that either, I was hopeing to be able to get on with it this weekend but looks like no chance now!

[David.H]

anyone else still waiting for there orders from tooled-up???
I've been waiting 10 days now and no sign of it!!
I've emailed them and complained and they haven't replied to that either, I was hopeing to be able to get on with it this weekend but looks like no chance now!
Have you tried phoning? Maybe they have had huge orders for this stuff recently and arre wondering whats going on :D

[David.H]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/PANELSONPOLISH1.jpg

[zeroaxe]

Good job! That looks good. Are *you* happy with it though ;) Did you see my Q about the finish of that compared to a "show paint job" ?

I am still waiting for Rostoleum France to answer my Q about where to find a distributor of their product that has got the mixing machine. Then I am off to go and get my colour mixed:hangloose

[veedub-mat]

Still wondering, while I wait for a reply on a smaller tin of 7322, if I can do white over the blue on my bay van, what do u guys think? Im using a roller so reckon the join might be a dodgy area, will the masking tape give me a nice clean line if its had a roller over it? just a thought,,,,yes this is better than sliced bread, and im loving the colour on that bug, might change my mind to that one!
keep us updated

[Baybee]

Still wondering, while I wait for a reply on a smaller tin of 7322, if I can do white over the blue on my bay van, what do u guys think? Im using a roller so reckon the join might be a dodgy area, will the masking tape give me a nice clean line if its had a roller over it? just a thought,,,,yes this is better than sliced bread, and im loving the colour on that bug, might change my mind to that one!
keep us updated


well I'm hopeing if I get descent tape and the first colour has gone off then I can get a crisp line cos I need yellow and black next to each other!!

[zeroaxe]

Well, I know from experience(used it in the aircraft spraypainting business) that the best tape to use for this thing is "signwriter's tape". It is more like the rubber/plastic electrical tape than normal beige masking tape. It gives a REAL clean line. The thickness of the edge depends on how tick you put the other paint. You use the former tape to 'draw' your lines, then once you got your layout, you mask with normal masking tape on the side of the other tape that (obviously) is not going to be painted.....

Now......the problem is that I have got no idea where to find that tape(there in the UK.........OR here in France)

[Baybee]

Well, I know from experience(used it in the aircraft spraypainting business) that the best tape to use for this thing is "signwriter's tape". It is more like the rubber/plastic electrical tape than normal beige masking tape. It gives a REAL clean line. The thickness of the edge depends on how tick you put the other paint. You use the former tape to 'draw' your lines, then once you got your layout, you mask with normal masking tape on the side of the other tape that (obviously) is not going to be painted.....

Now......the problem is that I have got no idea where to find that tape(there in the UK.........OR here in France)

sods law!!

[David.H]

I guess you could try this stuff?

http://www.davidhumphrey.co.uk/tapes.html

[zeroaxe]

Bingo! That is the stuff.... now, can you find it for me in France? :incheek::D

[Baybee]

d4vidh74 Can I ask how much paint you have used so far ??

Just wondering how man tins we would need for a whole car?

[Baybee]

Bingo! That is the stuff.... now, can you find it for me in France? :incheek::D


If you get a problem I don't mind forwarding some over to you cos I'll need to order some aswell

[David.H]

d4vidh74 Can I ask how much paint you have used so far ??

Just wondering how man tins we would need for a whole car?

2.5l should be more than enough to do the whole car. I would say I've used about 0.5l so far.

[Baybee]

2.5l should be more than enough to do the whole car. I would say I've used about 0.5l so far.


cool cheers for that I'm gonna try it on my 71 bug before I attempt my 69 with 2 colours!!

Hope it works cos getting the 2 painted for under £150 is give me a lot more cash to play with on other things!

[Baybee]

finally my paint has arrived!! so I get to play!

[71bay]

that looks bloody good is all i have to say, now i need to find someone who is going into business to do this so i can send may van.

I live in london and have no space at all to do this. Also knowing me i would F*** it up big time.

[thewum]

Hi,

I am going to give this a go on my bay as the colours I want are available.

Sorry for the stupid question, but everyone is talking about rolling the paint which would be ideal for me, but what do you do about those harder to reach places that a roller won't go - e.g. around the headlights etc. A brush???

Cheers

Dave

[andyh]

I'd had similar thoughts to thewum, i.e what about the crease lines down the sides of the roof panel of the bug and the seam areas? I guess a similar technique to decorating walls where they meet the ceiling - neatly cover the area by brush first and then roller as much as is accessible to get a matching surface finish.

[David.H]

I'd had similar thoughts to thewum, i.e what about the crease lines down the sides of the roof panel of the bug and the seam areas? I guess a similar technique to decorating walls where they meet the ceiling - neatly cover the area by brush first and then roller as much as is accessible to get a matching surface finish.

Yup thats pretty much it.

[Ben '71 1200]

I'd had similar thoughts to thewum, i.e what about the crease lines down the sides of the roof panel of the bug and the seam areas? I guess a similar technique to decorating walls where they meet the ceiling - neatly cover the area by brush first and then roller as much as is accessible to get a matching surface finish.

You can get foam pad 'brushes' I think, mentioned earlier in the thread I believe (I just can't be arsed to trawl through to check). These would have the same benefits of brushing but without the brushmarks

[tfl1200/1500]

WOW WHAT A THREAD! I HAVE LEARNT SO MUCH, WITH TWO BUGS AND A BUS TO PAINT I COULD SAVE A FORTUNE. CHEERS EVERYBODY OR THE FAB RESPONSES GUESS WHAT? IM GONNA HAVE A GO TOO! you guys are real fab, when I do mine all pics and tips i will share, going to pick my colour now and start doing mine. Confused the Marine paint, enamel paint or coach paint? I will be rollering, they all look fab and a whole lot cheaper than anything else.

Off to do my shopping list B and Q Tescos and paint shop here I come, just which type and colour, decisions decisions?! :)

Thanks to you guys your all fab good luck with all your projects. Shall we all meet up with our newly painted bugs and buses and share results. ;)

[zeroaxe]

The suspense is killing me!!!........ So how does it compare to 'show paint quality' ?

As to the hard to reach places..., I agree, the foam pad brushes would possibly be the best option. But dont forget, you will be colour sanding the paint, so it doesnt really matter how you do it, as long as you dont make (brush)lines.....

[tfl1200/1500]

sorry guys question? I want to do a sunset pic on my bug, whats the harm in mixing/fading two colours to have a scene. Need to try this. Has anyone else had a go? I think i would have to fade them in whilst wet on the last coat...... Rollering it say with a yellow, using the edge of the roller do a streak of say orange and lightly blending the colours what do you reckon? :)

[David.H]

Re: Show quality, personally If I was very particular and meticulous I guess you could get the finish just as good as a sprayed vehicle but I ain't. For under £50 to do the complete thing even if I fcuk it up its only £50 wasted but at least the car is primered!! So yes you could use this paint and get it to show standard if you took your time and prepared for a lot of sanding and polishing etc...

Re: Sunset, I dont see a problem why you cant paint in with an artist type brush and blend as you go along. Remember sand paper is your eraser :D

[tfl1200/1500]

I agree, what can i lose! I will do a bit of practising on my old bug bonnet and will post pics to show either success or a mess! ;)

I have just been shopping for colours and the range is huge especially if you put in marine paint, coach paint and enamel colour charts the colours are endless.

I love the comment sandpaper is your eraser! Well done :)

[67]

This may have been mentioned somewhere but i didnt see it.
Whats the deal with this paint reacting with old paint or future automotive paint?

[David.H]

I have painted over fibreglass and metal and no probs. Apparently it sticks to anything!!!

[zeroaxe]

Re: Show quality, personally If I was very particular and meticulous I guess you could get the finish just as good as a sprayed vehicle but I ain't. For under £50 to do the complete thing even if I fcuk it up its only £50 wasted but at least the car is primered!! So yes you could use this paint and get it to show standard if you took your time and prepared for a lot of sanding and polishing etc...

I am now indeed a happy man. All I wanted to know. I am ready for some serious polishing works after painting..... Now I just need these French Frogs at Rust-Oleum to respond ot my email and tell me where I can find a distributor with a colour mixing machine close to me!!!! (no offens to our French members here, it is not you that I am complaining about :crazy: )

Remember sand paper is your eraser :D
Spoken in the words of a champ! And trust me, I have got enough experience with this... You can erase as much/quick as you want, or with patience and CARE as little as you NEED......Just a shame that this 'eraser' takes much more effort! ;)

[Dangerousdave1972]

I got my paint through today, I'll have a play over the weekend and post some pics next week on how it goes.

Dave

[67]

I have painted over fibreglass and metal and no probs. Apparently it sticks to anything!!!

Yeah, sure, but its not a question of it sticking.
Anyone tried to paint this over 2k or celly?
I just wondered what would happen if you painted over it in the future.
Dont want to end up having to strip it all off!
Paint reaction is never good :(

[Reeda]

wow what a great thread!

just had my bus sprayed at the end of last summer. got some cracks comming through were my m8 did some dodgy welding so will have to strip it bk n re weld it n paint it again. this sound like a goos cheap solution only if i can get the same colour (dove blue).


cheers guys

[Baybee]

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing1.jpg
before

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing2.jpg
one coat

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing3.jpg
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing4.jpg
2 coats

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing5.jpg
close up and I think a bit of sanding needed before next coat!!

[stevem]

[IMG][IMG]http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c185/lightleaded/wing5.jpg
close up and I think a bit of sanding needed before next coat!!

Oh you got paint on that table!!!
Your misses is gonna be unhappy.

The close up looks good, I'd like to see another when you've finished. :)

Iv'e found that the flexable sanding blocks from B&Q & Halfords are dead good for sanding round corners, they last longer than normal wet and dry. The fine grade one might be useful for geting rid of some of the orange peel.

[Baybee]

Oh you got paint on that table!!!
Your misses is gonna be unhappy.


I am the misses!! and the table was crap anyway!! actually would be better in blue as it would go with the conservatory!

[smithysmoo]

Painted a couple of panels on me old bay with some nice dark blue hammerite. Did it with a brush, just 1 coat and I thought it was alright. Bays long gone but this is tempting me to do the golf thats crying out for a lick of paint.

Its all that sanding and polishing to get it spot on thats putting me off. :(

[67]

I may be missing the poin here, but why bother?
If you can do the prep, as you obviously can, why not either buy a cheap HVLP sprayer, or get it sprayed?
The body shop i used when i was in essex would lay the top coat on for £150 + paint.
If you do all the prep, get it primered then take it to em, pay the money, say £250 inc paint, then take it home, flat it if you like, jobs a good un.
Ok, it may cost 1-200 more, but your saving so much time and effort!
Painting it by hand, a whole car, flatting it 2-3 times, it will take ages to do a whole car.
Is saving £200 really worth 3-4 days at least of hard labour?
Flatting a car is not a nice process, having to do it 3 times makes me feel sick!
Have any of you done this process to a whole car?
Pannel by pannel it may seem ok, but a whole shell!

[David.H]

I think its more down to a matter of principle to say 'I did all the work myself' Sure you can pay the extra dosh but its more satisfying doing it yourself, well for me it is. If your worried about what sort of finish you will get then don't bother attempting it yourself but if you have nothing to lose then what the hell, go for it.

[DubDubz]

67 is that a true realistic price for top coat paint?

[zeroaxe]

I must agree with the whole "Did it myself..........with a ROLLER!" line... If you are on a tight budget(which I am at the moment getting this 1303 up and running from the 'dead') then that extra money comes in REAL handy. Besides, hard labour doesnt cost me anything...except a load-full of coffee :crazy:

I got about Ä10k in a few months to buy a Split, but some of that money 'needs' to be sourced towards the (hopefully) German-looker.....

[al_kaholik]

I may be missing the poin here, but why bother?
If you can do the prep, as you obviously can, why not either buy a cheap HVLP sprayer, or get it sprayed?
The body shop i used when i was in essex would lay the top coat on for £150 + paint.
If you do all the prep, get it primered then take it to em, pay the money, say £250 inc paint, then take it home, flat it if you like, jobs a good un.
Ok, it may cost 1-200 more, but your saving so much time and effort!
Painting it by hand, a whole car, flatting it 2-3 times, it will take ages to do a whole car.
Is saving £200 really worth 3-4 days at least of hard labour?
Flatting a car is not a nice process, having to do it 3 times makes me feel sick!
Have any of you done this process to a whole car?
Pannel by pannel it may seem ok, but a whole shell!


This may be the case, but a descent paintjob, like mirror finish really top notch one will set you back at least £1500, AT LEAST, probably more like £2500 for a good job on a bigger vehicle.
Painting with a roller is a cheap and easy way to do it if you are on a budget. Being a student now and having run a bug since I passed my test, I know the money that can be absorbed. If the body was half good on that, I would have tried this. As it goes, I now have a different bug with a nicer paintjob, still looks orangey but its better. I'd much rather spend money on getting other things right. Besides after all the scandals you hear of "bare metal resprays" it is maybe better doing it yourself. The chassis I have been prepping for a while was stripped by me, then went to have an etch primer coat, and then I painted it with a brush all over, the lines have gone cause the paint was so thick. But that time and effort was well worth it to save me the money of having it sprayed.
Al

[veedub-mat]

...and if you're like me, and use the vehicle as a daily driver, then taking it off the road to get sprayed by some bloke who will do it 'when he's got the time' is just not going to happen. This way I can prep when I have a spare friday evening roller the first layer saturday morning, sand on sunday morning, then re-apply another ready for another time. It just seems to make sense, financial sense also. I have had some quotes for spray jobs and the cost is silly, never mind the time the vans off the road.
This has come as a complete saviour for me, but I can imagine its not for everyone. Id just reck a proffessional job anyway, I cant imagine seing the first scratch on new paint that cost half a right leg.
More pics please,,my paint hasnt come yet!

[zeroaxe]

I was also thinking today as to the comment "Why not buy a spray gun?" ..... Well, not everyone can swing a spraygun properly, but EVERYONE can roll a roller!

Also, I work in this trade, and I see what goes on 'behind the scenes'. My boss has got a high standard of doing things, but sometimes my standard is just that little bit higher. I am often told (translated from French) to 'leave it like that, it is not that important'. So things sometimes get 'hidden', if you know what I mean? Dont get me wrong, I would still let him paint my car, if I had to. Now what does this leave you with the guy that just cant be bothered at all!? Those fly-by-night dodgy buggers...

If you do this yourself, not only do you know what is going on with your car/bus, but you WILL feel real good once finished...I gaurentee it. (how much respect will you have for that girl at the show that not only drives her own bug, but tell you that she did the paint job herself? I sure as hell would be IMPRESSED!! :hangloose)

[chey]

Anyone got anymore pics or results to report???

Dying to know how your getting on with this, we are defo gonna give it a go when we get our resto to that stage.

[YachtyBugger]

Awesome thread.

Is anyone who has used this bringing their Dub to Volksworld show? If so, I'd really like to check it out.

I'm thinking about using it on my Crewie when I'm ready ;)

[Baybee]

Anyone got anymore pics or results to report???

Dying to know how your getting on with this, we are defo gonna give it a go when we get our resto to that stage.

Hey chey the batteries are flat on the camera at the mo but have now done the 2 front wings the deck lid and I'm currently sanding down the bonnet (needs a bit of work filler ect) gonna try doing the front and rear of the car next weekend then roof and doors ect so fingers cross she should be all done in a few weeks I'll get some more piccys done soon for you.

right off to buy t-cut and polish and get the first wing finished off.

[fatony1]

I may be missing the poin here, but why bother?
If you can do the prep, as you obviously can, why not either buy a cheap HVLP sprayer, or get it sprayed?
The body shop i used when i was in essex would lay the top coat on for £150 + paint.
If you do all the prep, get it primered then take it to em, pay the money, say £250 inc paint, then take it home, flat it if you like, jobs a good un.
Ok, it may cost 1-200 more, but your saving so much time and effort!
Painting it by hand, a whole car, flatting it 2-3 times, it will take ages to do a whole car.
Is saving £200 really worth 3-4 days at least of hard labour?
Flatting a car is not a nice process, having to do it 3 times makes me feel sick!
Have any of you done this process to a whole car?
Pannel by pannel it may seem ok, but a whole shell!

Im 'in the trade' as such and i'd have to agree. Also the people spraying this paint on, you must have an HVLP system already so why not just use 2K? It's not as bad as all the myths say.

[David.H]

I thought its illegal to spray 2k in a non controlled environment?

[billybob]

So did I. Thought you needed all the breathing stuff with an air supply and an extractor.
Can you paint cellulose with an HVLP gun? Maybe a silly question!

[habib99]

I painted 2K in my garage, with full breathing kit etc didnt know it was against the law! :D oh well done it now!

[Banny]

What a really good read, this is gonna save me so much money on the paintwork side of things.
I have to agree with the statement when you do it this way it is all your own work.
Got abit of a way to go until I reach painting stage, but will bookmark this thread for future use.

[fatony1]

I thought its illegal to spray 2k in a non controlled environment?

Not at all, you can buy 2K direct gloss, or 2K solvent basecoat paint from any autopaint supplier over the counter, without any ID etc (unless you look 14! :p ) Using 2K once or twice with some sort of breathing/dust mask in your garage wont kill you, all day every day without a mask will :)

[DubDubz]

doesn't it have to filter down to a certain micron wotsit.it's the age old thing
some will rebuild their engines whilst others will get someone else to......some will have a go and building a camper interior some will just buy one.

with the deepest of respect this thread is for people who would like to have a go themselves and not asking an opinion - if it's ok.

I think nearly everyone who has shown interest has also stated it's not for everyone - and yeah you will probably be able to tell if you look close up. BUT I want my van to look half decent and this to me is a way of doing so. And yes if I save or come into some moolah I might still get 'professional job'..........................I'm not sure unless someone can tell me otherwise I'd be able to get a better result with hvlp and celly - as I've never sprayed before.........

[Matt Power]

This looks amazing. Nothing short of it. I will hopefully be painting my car over the summer and this looks perfect. I was going to do it myself but a lack of power in my garage says a compressor is out of the question.

[chey]

Hey chey the batteries are flat on the camera at the mo but have now done the 2 front wings the deck lid and I'm currently sanding down the bonnet (needs a bit of work filler ect) gonna try doing the front and rear of the car next weekend then roof and doors ect so fingers cross she should be all done in a few weeks I'll get some more piccys done soon for you.

right off to buy t-cut and polish and get the first wing finished off.


really looking forward to seeing it done mate, how are you finding it?

is it as easy as it sounds?

are you pleased with how its going so far?

[chey]

I've just sent Rustoleum an email to see if they can somehow get me the dark purple over here, looking at the websites colour charts and those of tooled up, they are quite different.

Here's hoping eh!!!

[chey]

Crickey!!!!!!!!!!! Super fast reply, didnt answer my question about the colour tho, all his info just leads me to the same colour charts that tooled up do.


copy of email for all to use information contained within.


Hi Chey

Thanks for showing interest in these products, in side the EU its named
CombiColor and available from many 100's of retailers depending upon where
you are located.

www.ro-m.com

Our UK distribution centre that feeds all these outlets can be reached on
01684 273333 and they can advise you where near you the product can be
purchased.

Thanks for your enquiry
Steve Winrow

[miccro]

I was also thinking today as to the comment "Why not buy a spray gun?" ..... Well, not everyone can swing a spraygun properly, but EVERYONE can roll a roller!

you would be suprised how easy HVLP units are to use :)

im serious, so many people seem afraid of them.

the results from roller technique do seem amasing but i recon with about 10 mins playin with the setting on the spray gun and a test coat on a spare pannel and you'll be away.

save alot of time, and i guess an even better reult with less flatting down.

mike

[zeroaxe]

Miccro,

I know what you mean. They are not taht scary! lol. I just wondered about these 'lectric ones that you use to paint your garden fence/interior walls with....anybody recon wether you can use one of those or not? Wondering how it would turn out using one of them (never even used one of those things before!).

In about three months or so(4 months max), I shold be able to buy myself a WICKED compressor and some air tools....cant wait!

[billybob]

I bought one of the electric ones from Frost who are a very reputable company selling parts for restoring classics.
Very easy to use.
One a practical classics mag best buy too.

[67]

This may be the case, but a descent paintjob, like mirror finish really top notch one will set you back at least £1500, AT LEAST, probably more like £2500 for a good job on a bigger vehicle.
Painting with a roller is a cheap and easy way to do it if you are on a budget. Being a student now and having run a bug since I passed my test, I know the money that can be absorbed. If the body was half good on that, I would have tried this. As it goes, I now have a different bug with a nicer paintjob, still looks orangey but its better. I'd much rather spend money on getting other things right. Besides after all the scandals you hear of "bare metal resprays" it is maybe better doing it yourself. The chassis I have been prepping for a while was stripped by me, then went to have an etch primer coat, and then I painted it with a brush all over, the lines have gone cause the paint was so thick. But that time and effort was well worth it to save me the money of having it sprayed.
Al

What are you talking about?
I said if you do all the prep yourself, and wet flat and polish yourself!!
Just to lay on the paint £150
If you are able to prep, and able to wet flat, and able to polish (which i hope you all can or you shouldnt be trying to roller your cars) then you will have a mirror finish, show quality paint job for £150 plus materials and your time.
You would also only have to colour sand once instead of 3 times.

[beetleboy1983]

jesus its worth a try if its that cheap!! im guna get the old rollers out ;)

[joey B]

Hi guys,
new to Volkszone, I'm just in the process of painting my 67 bug with acrylic aerosols! then clear lac over the top and the finish is excellent :) Flatting down the paint with 2000 grit wet and dry, I'll try and get some pics on the forum, cost so far in paint is £30! buying the cans at trade helps! its all down to the preparation.

[Ben '71 1200]

Hi guys,
new to Volkszone, I'm just in the process of painting my 67 bug with acrylic aerosols! then clear lac over the top and the finish is excellent :) Flatting down the paint with 2000 grit wet and dry, I'll try and get some pics on the forum, cost so far in paint is £30! buying the cans at trade helps! its all down to the preparation.


Welcome to Volkszone :)

[joey B]

Thanks,
excellent web site, some seriously cool looking bugs on this site!

[gingerdog]

For anyone else having trouble finding an online colour chart here's a link : http://www.ro-m.com/asp/upload/beheer/pdf/combicolor%20assortment.pdf


and : http://www.ro-m.com/asp/upload/beheer/pdf/COMBICOLOR%20NEW%20COLOURS.pdf

Is it just me having problems getting onto the Tooledup website?

[al_kaholik]

If only you could mix them to produce automotive colours.... There may be a market for that with classic cars, as has been seen here
Al

[gingerdog]

There are certain retailers who can mix colours. Just nobody seems to know where they are :D

[stevepeanut]

I've been really interested in this thread, and I've just ordered 2.5 litres of light blue rustoleum. I'll put a few pics up once I get started.

Steve

[veedub-mat]

quick as you can mate thats the colour im after!! wanna see what it looks like!
cheers, got my white the other day so will be having a go as soon as,

[David.H]

I've been really interested in this thread, and I've just ordered 2.5 litres of light blue rustoleum. I'll put a few pics up once I get started.

Steve

What colour code was it?

[veedub-mat]

7322 im after, marlin blue? im after a sky blue, something lighter than your bug

[mikefl1200]

yeay me! :) have the paint so many lovely colours, yellow, orange, blue, purple, and white. Lawsons HIS in :) Southampton, ask for Phil, he is fab, just up his street knows alot of some good tips. Degrease not only the car but also what equipment you are using (BUCKETS, TRAYS ROLLERS ETC.) first. wet/dry sandpaper 800 grip. SLOWLY roll the paint on so that you have no bubbles, its really important. Also leave a good 48 hours to cure only attempting the job between 5-26 degrees C, or the paint will crackle like it has done on my beetle that somebody else painted some few years ago.

I will share pics before and after when finished. Off to go and get a marquee to put over my bug in the front of my drive (i have no garage) so that i can be dust free and paint happily. Good luck you guys thanks everyone, lets keep this thread going, it must be the longest one ever! :)

[67]

67 is that a true realistic price for top coat paint?

Missed this.
Yes it is, but they will do nothing for that price except spray the paint.

[andyguitarboy]

Whats the cheepest people have found this paint for? I think i may have found some where that sells it for less than twenty quid a tin. :)

[stevepeanut]

What colour code was it?

7323

My car is currently marathon blue, its faded and looks really bad, and I wanted another blue. I absoluletley loved the colour as soon as I seen it on the pics of your car, so ordered a tin :bandit:

[David.H]

cool :D

[mr blue bug]

right, looks like we are buying a bay at the weekend and it is definatly getting done in this!

we want a burgandy kind of colour so a bit of mixing will be needed, will do an entire 2.5l tin though as don't want to try and match a mix half way round the van!

good work guys!

[matt987106]

right, looks like we are buying a bay at the weekend and it is definatly getting done in this!

we want a burgandy kind of colour so a bit of mixing will be needed, will do an entire 2.5l tin though as don't want to try and match a mix half way round the van!

good work guys!

i want a slightly lighter blue than they have

think i will have a go at adding some cream / off white to the mix, afterall im buying the cream / off white for the top of the van

[splitvw2]

How are the paintings going fellas have you got any photos yet looking forward to seeing all the results :D

[slimebomb]

I have been looking at this thread for a while now and it occured to me that with all the prep and All the sanding down between coats, surely if you have to put 6 coats of paint on, then 6 coats of any paint will provide very good rust protection? so you could do all the work exactly the same with coach paint/enamel and not risk any future problems with rustoleum reacting with paint applied in the future?

[David.H]

Update on mine!!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/bodypaint1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/d4vidh/archhammer.jpg

[tfl1200/1500]

#is that the colour RAL 5015? Rust-oleum combi colour? your paint job looks fab. going to start mine this week will also put on pics . How long has it taken you. How many coats is that please. Fantastic thread lets keep it going guys :) Any problems with it or did you find it went on easy. keep us informed yeah

[David.H]

colour code is 7323 and its only had 2 coats on the body so far.

[Dangerousdave1972]

That is looking good, has the paint went on easy enough?

I've got the paint for my camper going to do it in 2 weeks time, I've taken a week off work to do it. Or as much as I can in a week. :)

The paint I've chosen is 7363 lilac with a little black and 7328 blue (just to be different), with 7342 ivory over top.

Dave

[sonny]

does anybody think that there is colour close to Tunisian Yellow that is found on the jeans special edition beetles?


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/sonny53/logos2074.jpg


there seems to be a few that could be close, but how much differerence is there between the colour charts and the actual finiched product? any help/opinion's would be much appreciated.

sonny

[David.H]

That is looking good, has the paint went on easy enough?

I've got the paint for my camper going to do it in 2 weeks time, I've taken a week off work to do it. Or as much as I can in a week. :)

The paint I've chosen is 7363 lilac with a little black and 7328 blue (just to be different), with 7342 ivory over top.

Dave

A week should be plenty of time, its all weather permitting or unless you can do it undercover!!!

[splitvw2]

Where can I get hold of the paint in plymouth area or south west area please or will i have to mail order?

[kevmac]

Has anybody tried the metallic colours or has it only been the 'flat' gloss coats? my bug is Metallic blue and needs repainted after restoration, would consider this route if any good results. If no one has done it I will buy a small tin and try a panel :)

[jboom]

Hey d4vid, great pictures - looking really good !! are you doing that all outside ? doesn't the paint attract dust/insects ?! or do they just get sanded out anyway ?!

[fbiiburton]

im liking the idea myself :hangloose

[David.H]

Hey d4vid, great pictures - looking really good !! are you doing that all outside ? doesn't the paint attract dust/insects ?! or do they just get sanded out anyway ?!

The body is all done outside. It does'nt really attract dust because its not sprayed on so does'nt pick up particles in the air. I have'nt had any bug problems yet so I guess I have been fairly lucky.

[Scott b]

Is this stuff similar to hammerite/smoothrite. Looks like just the stuff I'm after but I can get Smoothrite cheap. Any ideas if that would work the same way mixed with white spirits etc.
Thanks :D

[tfl1200/1500]

some specialists say yes it is different, the make up of it is different something to do with the base, not quite sure. If you live near southampton, or could order from Lawsons HIS millbrook Road east, speak to Phil Goddard, he has all the answers he is brilliant and Rustoleum is cheaper there than anywhere else. Will order colours in for you in less than a week. I havve a SAAB that is not worth 200 quid at the mo, so i am practicing this week with Rustoleum before attemptin my 2 beetles. Will let you know how I get on. Good luck, hope you are able to get the right answers from him. Happy painting :coffeecup

[tfl1200/1500]

what mixture do i use rustoleum with white spirit please, this thread is so long and without looking though it again i just wondered if anyboody knew off hand how many parts rustoleum to how many parts white spirit please. cheers everybody :coffeecup

[zeroaxe]

If I recall correctly it is advised to thin it down by about 10%. But the original author of "How to paint your car cheap" (the initial link referred to) mentioned that you should have it ALMOST as thin as water(just SLIGHTLY thicker).

Hope this helps


(dont hold me responsible though :incheek: )

[tfl1200/1500]

thank you i will give a go, i`m just wondering that its not too runny and drip everywhere, i need some practice and lots of it i think hummm. :coffeecup

[sonny]

anyone had any thoughts on tunisian yellow? and whats the closest on the rust-olem colourchart?


http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/sonny53/colourchart.png
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c153/sonny53/logos2074.jpg

thanks

sonny.

[tfl1200/1500]

having seen the colour chart and bought some myself i will say that the colour chart is not the same as the actual paint colour. We ordered the purple-ish one (7328) and when it came it was a dark blue and the yellow 7343 is a lot brighter than the chart. I would highly recomend that if possible you find a stockist local to you and look at the olour on the tin lid. Although they are a lot dearer than Lawsons where i got mine, another company, C. Brewer & son also keep it in stock.They have quite a few branches around the place so worth a look.

[tfl1200/1500]

oh yeah i forgot to say I reckon the nearest to your colour is 7348 :crazy:

[sonny]

so they sell this in stores as well as mail order! great, are the tins like the humbrol model paint tins? (lid is the colour of the paint) guessing that if i took a look at a local stockist the lids would be an exact match?

thanks

sonny.

[tfl1200/1500]

Yep the lid is painted with the same paint as in the tin. I was really surprised at the difference between the chart and real colour so try and find a stockist if you can. Good luck

[Scott b]

Thanks for that. I'm just looking for a stockist in Yorkshire. :D If I can find one I'll be painting this weekend :hangloose

[tfl1200/1500]

have a look on www.brewers.co.uk they have a few about

[tfl1200/1500]

found another one that might do it www.cromwell.co.uk might be one nearer than brewers :D

[sonny]

thanks guys will be lookin for a stockist now :D

hey scott b, where in east yorkshire are ya? what ya drivin?

sonny.

[Scott b]

thanks guys will be lookin for a stockist now :D

hey scott b, where in east yorkshire are ya? what ya drivin?

sonny.

PM'd ya bud.

[sonny]

PM'd back

[Scott b]

Hey all. Just ordered 2 tins from Tooled Up. Should be here on Friday. Fingers crossed for good weather. :D
Whats the score with spraying this stuff. Do I thin it down the same and spray the same ie, 2 coats and rub down etc.
Ta.

[LeisureKing]

Couldn't see any mention of this in the thread, but has anyone tried this stuff on fibreglass? Not sure if the white spirit would eat into it. Thinking about trying it on my buggy, but don't want to end up with a pile of moulten plastic!

Thanks in advance,

TC

[Ben '71 1200]

Couldn't see any mention of this in the thread, but has anyone tried this stuff on fibreglass? Not sure if the white spirit would eat into it. Thinking about trying it on my buggy, but don't want to end up with a pile of moulten plastic!

Thanks in advance,

TC


Billybob tested it on a fibreglass dash, and from what I've read, it's often used by fibreglass boat builder people :)

[tfl1200/1500]

hello try phoning Rustoleum tech services 01684273333 i think it has because somewhere on the thread someone has tried it. If no luck phone Phil at Lawsons 80632927 Southampton he has all the answers! it keeps raining and i am waiting for a clear day beacuse my car is under a marquee outside my front garden, it leaks i found out today. taken all the clear days to sand it down and take it to bits. will show photos soon :coffeecup

[LeisureKing]

Thanks guys, I'll keep you updated!

[andyguitarboy]

The last two weeks been sanding down my van to paint this stuff on i am going to have a bash with a HVLP gun i am going to paint on thursday morning, when it is hotter than today, will post pics when finnished. :)

[super bug sam]

Right thats it i'm sold, just read this entire thread from start to finish!

Some more piccys would be great if peeps have got any further

sounds like magic! - fookin brilliant

[David.H]

Billybob tested it on a fibreglass dash, and from what I've read, it's often used by fibreglass boat builder people :)

I also painted my decklid and thats fibreglass no problems

[Ben '71 1200]

I also painted my decklid and thats fibreglass no problems


sounds good to me then :) my entire shell is fibreglass... fooking buggies, so impractical.. so cool :D

[super bug sam]

Right people, i've found someone that can mix this stuff up!!!! He will colour match to anything you give him !

Its using the uk brand combi-colour which I am assured is the same stuff (its defo white spirit based).

i've ordered a tin of metallic purple (hoping to get it today) so i'll let you know how I get on with it.

The company i used is called Avenue Coatings and they are based in Slough(01753 686888 ask for steve he's really helpful) . But I get the impression there are quite a few places which will do it. speak to someone at Rustoleum UK (01684 273333) to find one near you.

I'll try and upload some piccys next week and show you how i get on.

[billybob]

That is good news.

[matt987106]

Avenue Coatings seem to notch, they also sell coach paint, i looked into that a last year