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Old 05-04-2012, 11:01 PM   #31
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cant you remember the scandal.in '85 scargill used money from union funds to pay for a luxury bungalow in barnsley. just been reading how union have finally expelled him. he has been charging them 33k a year for a flat in london along with a load of other huge 'expenses' and now hes trying to sue num for another 50k. not dissing unions but that guy was and is a cunt
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As an ex shop steward and a paid up member of the boiler makers union for the last 23 years (even though I am now self employed I still pay my fees)it sickens me how in this day and age people look down on the unions.Yes back in the 60s and 70s they did take the piss when they would go on strike if the tea was too cold(and this did happen).And yes during this time they where against automative advancement which mean't countries like China progressed(because the workers where treated with equality)but every thing we have now is thanks to unions.As for Scargill building his house from the miners strike where did you get that information from the FUCKIN SUN.Here's an idea,why don't we all take a 10% pay cut and we will soon get the country back on track.


Interestingly Scargill has just won a legal case and the UDM duplicitous fucking weasel Greatrex has been found out to have been syphoning money from charities. Lots of money. I guess Thatchers pet union leader does not make as good a target as the "enemy within"
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:03 PM   #33
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cant you remember the scandal.in '85 scargill used money from union funds to pay for a luxury bungalow in barnsley. just been reading how union have finally expelled him. he has been charging them 33k a year for a flat in london along with a load of other huge 'expenses' and now hes trying to sue num for another 50k. not dissing unions but that guy was and is a cunt
He has just won that case in a court of law.

Have you any proof of the "scandal" ?
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This makes an interesting read.

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Old 05-04-2012, 11:10 PM   #35
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Its not really up to date.

The amounts are not that big.

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Old 05-04-2012, 11:11 PM   #36
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He has just won that case in a court of law.

Have you any proof of the "scandal" ?
most of it from memory but most of all i remember the shock and dissapointment felt by all union members and supporters like myself when the story broke(not in the sun ffs). he just won case for 13k but has started further proceeding yesterday that if he wins may cost the union a further 80k.
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It does, but then again it doesn't tell the whole story. I know that at least one member of that 'rich list' gives most of his salary back to his union's charity each year, because I've seen the union audited accounts which prove it.
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most of it from memory but most of all i remember the shock and dissapointment felt by all union members and supporters like myself when the story broke(not in the sun ffs). he just won case for 13k but has started further proceeding yesterday that if he wins may cost the union a further 80k.
So no proof then.

Yes indeed he did win a case in a court of law.
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Whilst I'm not old enough to remember with an adult perspective the strife-ridden years of industrial unrest during the 1970s and 1980s, I can clearly remember my dad pumping up a Tilley lamp whilst we played cards during the blackouts caused by power cuts during the "three-day-week"; and I remember watching the fighting between policemen and miners, and talk of "flying pickets" etc.

What experience I have of politics, business, worker's rights, and the "big picture" are those gained from being brought up around a family run business and working in industries that are notorious for... I don't want to use the word exploiting... so shall we say "maximising" the output of it's workforce.

I think we need balance. A middle ground between a left-wing Union dominated socialist beurocracy with everyone and everything brought down to the lowest common denominator; and a right-wing profit-foremost "them-and-us" champagne for the successful and fuck-all for the rest.

In an ideal world we walk the middle ground between the two extremes. Those of us old enough to have experienced what either of the two extremes are like will naturally shy away from repeating them and tend toward the other; those of us old enough to have experienced both of the extremes will want to walk the middle ground. I certainly do.

I'm a card-carrying Union man. Always have been, always will. But I've never voted Labour. As a working man I'd never be without the protection that a Union provides me - you wouldn't think they were bullies if you'd ever had need to be represented in the workplace.

I don't agree with holding people to ransom - and to strike (or threaten to) is something that I personally would only consider as the absolute last resort. But it remains the ultimate sanction - the nuclear option if you like.

I don't know enough to comment on the example raised above regarding the problems Ford had with their Unions, and I've no direct experience in industry where mechanisation would bring big savings - but I do recognise the fact that if you have a factory employing 1000 people producing a product, those 1000 individuals are all earning, paying tax and spending money within their communities. If you replace half of them with machinery, allowing costs to fall and production to rise, I can see benefits for the business owners and shareholders, but what of the 500 people now looking for jobs? What about the tax they would have been paying as opposed th the benefits they're now drawing? What about the money they would have been spending in the local pub/shop/whatever and the knock-on affects on the incomes of those businesses? My personal bug-bear is self-service checkouts... Every single one of those things is a person out of work in my eyes.

I recognise there are no easy answers - I certainly don't have any - but I do recognise there is more to any story than is portrayed in the press.

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So no proof then.

Yes indeed he did win a case in a court of law.
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