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Old 14-12-2019, 05:02 PM   #1
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I'm looking at a 6pt cage in the beetle, but still have body and paint that I'd like to do, but maybe not for another 12-18 months. Do I do the cage install as part of the planned body off resto, or can I go ahead with the cage now and work around it later. The car's solid and mot'd but looks tired and some of the previous resto work was done 'to a price' albeit 20 years ago.
What would you advise as the best order to do it?
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Iíve never done this... but I suspect itíll depend on whether you tie/mount the cage to the pan or to the heater channels (body).
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My cage is tied into body and pan. I didn't bother trying to prep and repaint the interior as figured would be a total nightmare. Just painting the cage without getting paint everywhere is a nightmare in itself!
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Do the cage when the body is off.

If you need to do it when the body is on, here's a way you can do it even with the car fully painted ( but no interior):

Jim Smith at Cotsweld did my last one and he has a nifty trick - he cuts out holes where the "feet" end up going and builds the cage inside the car. The bottoms of the uprights are stood on the workshop floor, poking through the floor Flintstones style. He easily gets to the tops of the upper tubes etc.

I'm sure others do this.

The final part is great - the cage is raised into position and the "feet"/baseplates are added last.
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Cheers all, it's Jim that's going to be doing the job anyway, just trying to get a bit better informed before I speak with him.
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So, welding the cage to the frame horns... what are the pro's and cons?
Safety devices cage doesn't, RLR cage has an option to do it, but as I'm likely getting one made I need to understand the upside and the downside before committing my hard earned....
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The frame horns can bend without it.
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For me, if done neatley through the boot floor there is no reason not to tie to the frame horns
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Thanks all. Is there anything else I should consider while speccing the cage? Forgive the possible daft questions but it's a good chunk of cash that I only want to spend once.
Shock towers... tie in too, as I've seen on the Cotsweld website, or are we getting into overkill territory?
It would probably help to explain what I'm after doing with the car.

So, 2276cc, Dell 48s, Web 86 custom grind cam. 44x37.5 valves in some worked over heads, 1 5/8 merged header. Don't know much more as bought it used. Was running mid 14s for the previous owner in a full weight beetle at RWYB, with stock gearing and long 4th (3.88 rp and 0.82 4th) 009 dizzy, std coil and points. I've upgraded to pertronix dizzy, coil and cdi ignition, and had the lack of compression on no3 cylinder fixed (thanks to Danny at Reichspeed ) - so actually was running mid 14s on 3 and a bit cylinders without apparently trying too hard
Short ratio box ready to go in (3.88rp and 1.14 4th).
I fancy a go at vwdrc but that's a year off for now and the car has to remain streetable for weekend fun and even the odd 30 mile each way commute in the summer when the mood takes me, so not an out and out race car, but certainly not a daily driver...
As always, advice gratefully received!
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Thanks all. Is there anything else I should consider while speccing the cage? Forgive the possible daft questions but it's a good chunk of cash that I only want to spend once.
Shock towers... tie in too, as I've seen on the Cotsweld website, or are we getting into overkill territory?
It would probably help to explain what I'm after doing with the car.

So, 2276cc, Dell 48s, Web 86 custom grind cam. 44x37.5 valves in some worked over heads, 1 5/8 merged header. Don't know much more as bought it used. Was running mid 14s for the previous owner in a full weight beetle at RWYB, with stock gearing and long 4th (3.88 rp and 0.82 4th) 009 dizzy, std coil and points. I've upgraded to pertronix dizzy, coil and cdi ignition, and had the lack of compression on no3 cylinder fixed (thanks to Danny at Reichspeed ) - so actually was running mid 14s on 3 and a bit cylinders without apparently trying too hard
Short ratio box ready to go in (3.88rp and 1.14 4th).
I fancy a go at vwdrc but that's a year off for now and the car has to remain streetable for weekend fun and even the odd 30 mile each way commute in the summer when the mood takes me, so not an out and out race car, but certainly not a daily driver...
As always, advice gratefully received!
I'd tie in to the shock towers too - provided it wasn't going to break the bank.

Make it as safe and solid as you can.

Good luck.

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