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Old 17-12-2014, 09:49 PM   #11
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so just got these back yesterday and dropped off for powder coating today
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Old 18-12-2014, 10:57 AM   #12
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Is there a source of new rims, or were you suggesting removing some from some used wheels off another car?

Its definitely a better idea if the rims are available.
There are quite a few standard cars that run 6"x15 steel rims as OE and a few use 7", plus old style Wellers in 7" are readily/cheaply available. It is very easy to cut the weld between the centre and the rim leaving the rim totally intact. The Bug centre is then welded in with whatever offset you want and is something I would do at home as it really is simple. The amount of weld that goes back will be marginally greater than that ground off but nowhere near what banding adds. Banded wheels are notoriously difficult to balance i.e. they are well out of balance and I would rather have a wheel using an OEM rim than have one with masses of weights on it that looks naff.

Without going into the argument about the safety aspects of banding I just cannot see the logic in banding when the same result can be achieved in a much simpler and cheaper way.
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Old 18-12-2014, 11:30 AM   #13
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Without going into the argument about the safety aspects of banding I just cannot see the logic in banding when the same result can be achieved in a much simpler and cheaper way.
Oh come on, when did logic ever come into play when it comes to modifying old VWs? You know it's all down to slavishly following fasion/anti-fasion. Banded wheels are trendy, along with 'laying the beam', beams narrowed to the max. maximum negative camber on the rear et al...logic...Ha!!!

Seiously I'm not even keen on the way those wheels have been done. I'd have left the valve hole where it was and put the band in closer to the outside of the rim. That'd make getting the tyre to seal much easier.
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There are quite a few standard cars that run 6"x15 steel rims as OE and a few use 7", plus old style Wellers in 7" are readily/cheaply available. It is very easy to cut the weld between the centre and the rim leaving the rim totally intact. The Bug centre is then welded in with whatever offset you want and is something I would do at home as it really is simple. The amount of weld that goes back will be marginally greater than that ground off but nowhere near what banding adds. Banded wheels are notoriously difficult to balance i.e. they are well out of balance and I would rather have a wheel using an OEM rim than have one with masses of weights on it that looks naff.

Without going into the argument about the safety aspects of banding I just cannot see the logic in banding when the same result can be achieved in a much simpler and cheaper way.
Spot on, thanks for the reply.

Thats what I was wondering.
I have changed the offset of a Merc wheel this way to use as a spare for my rail.
I also wondered whether the rim from another wheel of the same diameter will always be the same bore size.
As it happens I have some 6.5 x 15 steel wheels and I would like to go to 8 x 15 and thats why I was wondering about sources of rims. I'm thinkin that they arent going to be easily available from production cars as wheels that wide would more likely be alloys.


Where rims are available I would agree with you that its a lot easier, cheaper, simpler, better engineered generally etc to swap the rims.
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I have a good pair of either 6" or 7" rims 15" that would be ideal for bug centers to be let into. 68 delivered the pair.
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Spot on, thanks for the reply.

Thats what I was wondering.
I have changed the offset of a Merc wheel this way to use as a spare for my rail.
I also wondered whether the rim from another wheel of the same diameter will always be the same bore size.
As it happens I have some 6.5 x 15 steel wheels and I would like to go to 8 x 15 and thats why I was wondering about sources of rims. I'm thinkin that they arent going to be easily available from production cars as wheels that wide would more likely be alloys.


Where rims are available I would agree with you that its a lot easier, cheaper, simpler, better engineered generally etc to swap the rims.
Its a real shame that Matt Lee at Mach5 stopped spinning steel rims because he could and did make super strong rims in virually any width that were then welded to centres, either brand new fabrications or salvaged from other wheels. He's now concentrating on off-road comp wheels. I once saw some 10Jx15" rims that he made for an expedition LR FC101 that had been off-roading in Thailand that has some of the most extreme vehicle breaking terrain on the planet. The centres were solid 5mm plate!

Someone else must spin wheel rims?
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Is there any reason that you couldn't remove the centre of a wheel and then get your own custom centres made from flat steel? A bit like this?

http://www.mullins.com.au/wws-wcp-r-r.asp
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Is there any reason that you couldn't remove the centre of a wheel and then get your own custom centres made from flat steel? A bit like this?

http://www.mullins.com.au/wws-wcp-r-r.asp
This is exactly the type of thing that Mach5 did on those FG101 wheels
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A friend of mine needs some 6j wheels with a silly offset. That could definitely be an option if he finds a 6j 15" wheel to use the barrel from and get some centres cut in 5mm steel. You could make your own centres for 2 piece split rims as well... interesting
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A friend of mine needs some 6j wheels with a silly offset. That could definitely be an option if he finds a 6j 15" wheel to use the barrel from and get some centres cut in 5mm steel. You could make your own centres for 2 piece split rims as well... interesting
I would consider doing what EC said earlier, it will be much easier and cheaper.

6 x 15 barrels will be readily available from the scrap yard I would think then use centres from 15" wheels of the right stud pattern.
You will probably get as new 6x15 barrels from the boot of some cars where a steel spare is fitted.

For silly negative offset either simply move them over a lot before welding or if necessary reverse the rims, depends which way he is going.
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