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Old 15-10-2019, 10:25 AM   #11
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Don't forget that a battery electric vehicle produces far more CO2 during production than an ICE. A study by the Delft University of Technology worked out that it would take an electric vehicle 80.000 kms before it breaks even on pollution. Obviously this figure will fall as we move towards renewable energy production, but it's not as black and white as looking at what the tailpipe emits, or well to wheel figures.

Off topic, I'm glad to see well to wheel figures, as not many people know about them
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I keep banging on about this but but something most people do not appreciate is every gallon of fossil fuel you put in your tank has used electricity in it's production. A very large amount of electricity. It's around 6-7 Kwh per liter.

A full electric car will travel around 30 - 35 miles on that much power.

So if you don't refine oil there will be plenty of power to charge peoples transport.

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Yes, you mentioned this before.

It is something I bring to the table whenever ‘blokes up the pub’ start chatting about the pros and cons of electric cars.

I think it is the most compelling argument for Electric powered transport.
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You're actually better off running an old car, yes it emits more co2, but not as much as building a new one does. So all of us here are actually doing our bit by running old cars
Added bonus, my 55 year old big block V8 is also ULEZ compliant
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You're actually better off running an old car, yes it emits more co2, but not as much as building a new one does. So all of us here are actually doing our bit by running old cars
Indeed! 😎 designing cars that are easily repairable and longer lasting in the first place would also be a much better way to go in regards of a longer term view on environmental protection.

The energy used and production processes involved in churning out short term, replaceable cars full of plastic based products rarely seems to get factored into the sales pitch for going green, go electric argument?

The businesses involved have only one goal, and it’s not caring for the environment. It’s simply about selling more new product.
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Fact is - there are millions of things that could and should be done to help the environment - but they will not, because our greedy way of life dictates it.
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People can make up stats to prove anything. 47% of all people know that.
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Fact is - there are millions of things that could and should be done to help the environment - but they will not, because our greedy way of life dictates it.
Capitalism has been setup incorrectly due to the Psychopathy mindset.

If anyone hasn’t watched Decoding Bill Gates on Netflix, it’s well worth a watch.

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98.7% of stats are made up on the spot...
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You can tell a master craftsmen, they hit the nail right on the head!
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‪20,000 litres

The amount of water needed to produce one kilogram of cotton; equivalent to a single t-shirt and pair of jeans… ‬

https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/cotton

An example of the hidden costs of production to support a consumerist society.

Stats be crazy!
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