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Old 21-12-2014, 09:33 AM   #21
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I thought these bandings were banded in the 70/80,s I wonder how your insurance company looks at them . I hope you do notofy them as its common now for them not to pay any claims if you change from the original manufacturers without telling them first.
but then I guess most of the stupid mods being done are not covered by your insurance.
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Yes. Mine are declared and perfectly legal. If it were illegal then there wouldn't be companies out there, with coded welders, that specialise in banding steels. It probably would have taken less time to google it than it would have taken to write a ridiculous post.

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They were never declared actually illegal but a few constabularies did clamp down on them in the 70s and many people were sucessfully prosecuted. They were deemed to be against the law in the same way as a cracked or buckled wheel or a bald tyre would be. I've got the article in an old Hot Car magazine somewhere in the loft but it's cold up there!!!
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They were never declared actually illegal but a few constabularies did clamp down on them in the 70s and many people were sucessfully prosecuted. They were deemed to be against the law in the same way as a cracked or buckled wheel or a bald tyre would be. I've got the article in an old Hot Car magazine somewhere in the loft but it's cold up there!!!
IIRC the insurers also got on the band wagon (forgive the pun) when there were some failures. This also has to be seen in the context that most banded wheels back then had spoked braces to add additional strength as it was felt necessary to take some of the stress off the band weld.

As regards to coded welders that doesn't guarantee the quality of the weld. The standards for welding recognises that structural welding needs to be carried out by suitably qualified welders AND that such welding should be crack tested. It is also expected that 10% of all structural welding will fail on a single pass. Most of the banding is carried out as a back street operation whereas if it was a legitimate modification then you should see automated welding processes and batch crack testing as a matter of course.

It seems to me that an underground operation has come to the fore as a form of cult/fashion statement with dubious credentials and certainly nothing that main stream professionals would get involved in.
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Wise words EC.
To automate the welding wouldn't be difficult, and once the setup parameters are recorded and test welds done and tested at those parameters repeatable good welds would be possible, assuming the cutting was equally accurate too of course, the edge should be machined true for automated welding.
I've quite a bit of experience of automated welding, no intention of banding wheels though.

I have a funny feeling that nobody would want to pay for the quality if someone did it.

I have heard of this company -
http://www.extremeoffsetwheels.com/
who can have wheels made to order, the prices look very good. I wonder if they could supply rims only in the right width to have welded to your own centres?
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