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Old 17-05-2009, 12:46 PM   #11
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upright cooling conversion's aren't as much of a ballache or expense as people make out.

You can buy shrouds and a genny stand from UK and European suppliers that'll allow you to use a 36hp shroud, and provided you run a 215mm or 200mm flywheel you'll pretty much bolt into a modern swing axel or IRS box.

you can convert the earlier boxes to accept the more modern clutch too.

I know when I first looked at putting a Type IV in my bug, Lee at LA Performance was developing some shrouds that used T1 style cooling; and it was cheap too.

I've seen a car at the RNJ Motorsport Workshops that used modified TypeIV and Type 1 Tin too, based on the Cali Conversion; he said he can offer this service.

You'll also need to swap the crank end fan for a T1 style bottom pulley, again, not really a hardship.

If you're looking at sticking the engine in a saloon or a split, you might also want to review the exhaust.

RNJ Motorsport fabricates a 4-1 system that seems to work really well, Stateside Tuning can also supply exhausts. If you want stainless, Lee at LA Performace offers some systems to do this, as does Turbo Thomas.

But if you're putting the engine into the back of an open rear Baja or Buggy, you'll probably manage OK with the pancake style cooling and a cage around the rear of the engine.

You might want to run an intermediate mount, cradle the front of the gearbox and look into engine support too.

Even with a stock TypeIV you'll get adequate performance, but like all VW engines they're heavily undercarb'd from the factory, so look into some bigger carbs (or FI, if you're feeling flush) and a decent exhaust system to really take advantage of the engine.
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Old 20-05-2009, 10:08 PM   #12
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Hey Jinx, What do you offer to get a Type 4 into my Splitty.
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Old 20-05-2009, 10:12 PM   #13
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advice only im afraid!
follow this - should get you there
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Old 05-06-2009, 01:53 PM   #14
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Great info. Thinking of putting a Type 4 in a Splitty.
Take a look at my thread listed below, Full 2276 in a splitty
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i,m running a type 4 in my 59 split, tried using the stock cooling but as someone said the gap between the fan and engine is tiny and they just cook, as i,d already built my engine i did not want to strip it again to have the cases machined for the porsche conversion and after some more reading went down the jake raby dtm cooling which uses the stock type 1 alternator and fan and i must say i am more than happy with it, even on a long run on a hot day it never goes above 100 degs on the oil..... from what i have read, porsche look better, dtm cool better
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i,m running a type 4 in my 59 split, tried using the stock cooling but as someone said the gap between the fan and engine is tiny and they just cook, as i,d already built my engine i did not want to strip it again to have the cases machined for the porsche conversion and after some more reading went down the jake raby dtm cooling which uses the stock type 1 alternator and fan and i must say i am more than happy with it, even on a long run on a hot day it never goes above 100 degs on the oil..... from what i have read, porsche look better, dtm cool better
have you got a picture of your engine
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Old 22-08-2009, 10:10 AM   #17
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I also found this:

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Take a look at my thread listed below, Full 2276 in a splitty
WOW...LOOKS LIKE it came that way! Where is the oil cooler? Is it the stock oil cooler remounted in the DTM fan shroud or are you using an external oil cooler? Where'd you get the L-plumbing to route the oil feeds from?

I was going with the horizontal Porsche cooling package from laperformance (450 for his kit + 300 for a used Porsche fan combo = 850 squid), to fit my 66 splitty, but looking at this, this may be a cheaper alternative and looks stock to boot!

Jinx, thanks for the thread and how you went down the homebuilt route as it explains a lot of the issues behind fitting these engines upright. I'm not as skilled and am looking for more of a 'bolt-it-in-and forget' approach.

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Old 23-08-2009, 10:25 AM   #19
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Found this excellent writeup
http://www.aircooledtechnology.com/cooling/index2.shtml
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not seen one for a bit but don't forget the eurorace shroud. that also uses its own alternator stand and a standard bug alternator.

the only other issue not mentioned on this thread is that the gearbox imput shaft on a bug box is shorter than that of the type4 bus box. this means that the end of the shaft is not supported.
you can overcome this by having the centre of the T4 flywheel opened up to take the standard needle race bearing that the type 4 uses in the end of the crank. its not a good idea to run an engine without doing this or you run the risk of clutch/imput shaft failure.
hope your conversion turns out well.
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