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Anyone Starting To Feel A Bit Bad For Brown?

5K views 124 replies 36 participants last post by  shane r 
#1 ·
Me either. Arrogent twat can shove off. A textbook case of how far removed from relatity many of these folk are.

His mantra is 'I will not call a General Election, the country wants me to lead them out of this downturn'.

I think he's confused 'the country wants me...' with 'during a recent solvent huffing binge, my dog said he wants me...'
 
#8 ·
Too right. Hopefully noone will have forgotten that Brown what stood up at the helm of a ship that only had the tips of its masts still above water. I just think it's revolting to watch such a senior public figure cling on to the job simply because he was denied it for so long-ignoring absolutely everything going on around him.

He'll end up being dragged from Westminster kicking, crying and screaming-trussed up in a straightjacket having shat himself while budging in the queue for the big slide in the creche.
 
#13 ·
Perhaps you should look a little further back still and see what state the place was in when Thatcher's administration took over.

'New' Labour were quite happy to ride the enormously successful wave that the deregualtion of the banking industry created. They had over 10 years to change things, to introduce regualtion to the industry which may have mitigated the crash.

But times were good, they looked good, they had billions to blow on stupid ill thought out policies and job creation quangos. Now once again they'll leave a catastrophic mess for someone else to deal with.
 
#14 ·
Gordon Brown does not get:

  • The economy
  • MPs expenses
  • The cock-up over the Queen not attending the D-Day ceremony in France
  • The money he's thrown at the public sector, and the lack of results

And some other stuff, too. He needs to call a General Election, and let us decide who we would like to run the country.
 
#24 ·
We need a miracle. Some of us are old enough to remember the last time the Tories were in so looking at that particular patch of green grass will need some pretty thick rose-tinted spectacles and will end in tears.
We need Norman Lamb to defect to Labour and be the next PM! Lib Dems seem to have the (gernerally) right ideology, but lack the teeth and have a weak leader.
This is all a bit media led, but not a bad thing that a number of MPs have been found with their fingers in the till.
Cameron is playing the media for all its worth and I think a lot of folk won't see through it.

Whats with all these folk saying they'll 'teach MPs a lesson' by not voting! :rolleyes:
 
#29 ·
the tory whipping boy is so far removed from real life........

their is NO party at all that has a clear view on how they are going to run this fine land. its all smoke and mirrors.

Labour are about to implode.
Cons are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Lib dems put the wrong man at the top and missed a golden opportunity.

greens?
ukip?
bnp?

there is not a practical approach to running a corner shop amongst the lot of them never mind the UK.
one thing i am sure about is that if they went to the people now the right wing nut jobs will do well :( and only by default.
 
#41 ·
How do we get a hung parliment ( i think that's what I mean :confused:) Where we have politicians from different parties in charge of the different departments ?

Does the queen have to decide that ? or does that happen if the all the parties get the same amount of votes at the next election ?
 
#45 ·
one side has to win by a clear majority if not they all start ass kissing the smaller party's for their support. and that forms the leading party

its alot more complex in real world but the kettles just boiled and the wife will be home from work soon and i have to hoover :lol:
 
#47 ·
How do we get a hung parliment ( i think that's what I mean ) Where we have politicians from different parties in charge of the different departments ?
One of the advantages of a "first past the post" system is that we don't often end up with one party having more MPs than the others, but not enough to govern. There are 650-odd MPs, so a government can only be formed by a party having 330 MPs (or more) elected. A hung Parliament would occur if say, Party A had 290 MPs, Party B 200 MPs and Partys C,D,E the rest.

One of the two biggest parties would have to team up with one or more of the smaller parties and agree on who got which Ministerial posts, and what their policies could be. Israel has never had a majority government, in recent times, so they end up with lots of elections when the coalitions fall out.
 
#53 ·
I have a horrible feeling that we might see a landslide Conservative win.

A Lib/Lab pact could work

As for minority parties, I could see a good input from the Greens, many European Nations especially Germany have strong Green parties, but the fear is that there is more liklely to be a UKIP/BNP interest, and nobody with an IQ into double figures would want that.

But I think that we will see the Tories in with a decent majority, which will mean that they don't have to take much account of Parliment to drag forward whatever policies they fancy in the first term *Shivers*

Shane likes the stabillity they offer, I fear their commitmemt to looking after the interests of the very rich and big business, especiually in the teeth of a major recession.
 
#55 · (Edited)
As many people are aware, I believe that revolutionary change is required. But even accepting the current structure, I am still ready to march the 42 miles from Great Baddow, the starting point, and on June 12th, the day in history of of the peasants revolt, to Westminster to demand an election. Can't get the rabble roused to come with me though...

I believe that within the current Parliamentary structure, there is still room for radical constitutional reform.

I would dispense with the current electoral structure, in favour of elections staggered throughout the term of office- perhaps annual. I would reduce the number of MPs to around half by changing constituency boundaries, so this would involve maybe 75-80 constituency (I'll use the term 'by-elections') each year. I would however elect both an MP, and a Constituency Mayor to deal with 'local issues', and make representations, be the 'conduit' for the MP to raise those local issues in the National Parliament.

The Leader of the House would be considerably more 'high profile' a post. (Apart from anything else, I would have expected to hear a lot more about recent issues from Harriet Harman, and a lot less from Gordon Brown, specifically because of each of their actual 'roles'.)

I would want the MPs thus elected to go about updating the system, Consigning roles such as Lord Privy Seal, and First Lord Of The Treasury, to history where they belong.

I would eventually massively reduce the parliamentary power of the party system altogether. For example, whatever an MPs party affiliation, I would have them in office as de jure independents. No whips, only free votes.
 
#61 ·
I dont really see what difference any of this makes, once the BB generation have either voted for the person with a name they can read, forgot to turn up, went the wrong day cos they were stoned, or just could not be bothered, we are going to be end up with the government we (they) deserve.
 
#62 ·
Right now I don't have faith in any of them. Regardless of which party there are no strong characters who look like they could make a change.

Since New Labour came along there is little difference between them and Conservative party... in fact IMHO New Labour are right of most of the Conservative party.

Main difference IMHO is the Conservative party are less likely to just piss money away like New Labour have... all the tens of thousands of tiny bits of legislation with which they have tried to micro control our lives, have cost a fortune.

I prefer the traditional small government of the Conservative party.
 
#63 ·
Right now I don't have faith in any of them. Regardless of which party there are no strong characters who look like they could make a change.

Since New Labour came along there is little difference between them and Conservative party... in fact IMHO New Labour are right of most of the Conservative party.
There is no socialist party in UK politics. Not since 79 or maybe 83. Where would Hardy, McDonald, Attlee, fit in now? Or even the likes of Gaitskell, John Smith or Michael Foot?
 
#76 ·
This morning I sat opposite a quite ordinary looking lady on the train who, after about 5 minutes, decided to start a conversation with me about Jaqui Smith (who is her local MP). OK, so I nodded politely as she went on about what a good MP she was, what a lot of good things she had done for the people of Redditch etc. so I went along with it, not mentioning the fact she was at the same time milking the system for all it was worth, etc. Anyway, this woman then started going on about her private life, how she was getting a divorce, her kids, her husbands drinking habits, her emotions & all that stuff, at which point I realised I had sat opposite the nutter. I was actually late for work as I ended up getting off the train before she went any further & got on the next train behind. Fucking Labour!
 
#83 ·
I was actually late for work as I ended up getting off the train before she went any further & got on the next train behind. Fucking Labour!
You wouldn't have any of that nonsense if Westfella and his train-timetable loving Nazi friends won the next election.

And a quick nod to the guards on the train and yer nutter woman could be dragged off to the nearest mental institute.

WELL DONE CITIZEN SETSQUARE! :incheek:
 
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