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1070 Views 11 Replies 9 Participants Last post by  Matt Black.
wanted to get a general feeling for what you all thought...i dont cosider myself racist but i was reading this and thought that i couldnt agree more, I dont mean to cause offence.....
but whats your thoughts??

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on
Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted
radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to
Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister
John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists
would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted
that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if
they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws
were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want
a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia
is not for you", he said on national television.

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws
governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another
the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with
parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer
Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which
practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he
said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to
the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told
reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values
should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be
Australians, and who don't want ! to live by Australian values and
understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by
saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques
It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending
some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on
Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against
immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a
better life by coming to Australia."
"However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand."
"This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served
only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As
Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own
language and our own lifestyle."

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles,
trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese,
Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to
become part of our society, Learn the language!"

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right
wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women,
on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls
of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider
another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of
our culture."

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask
is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment
with us."

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go",
then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this
planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,
and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By
all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow
you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take
advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come
here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."
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lock it, it will just cause bad feelings.
spiny said:
this was not a good idea.
i did wonder but thought it might be an interesting subject....
Well, as one of the most culturally and ethically diverse countries in the world, I was a bit surprised at this, but it's a political thing, so on reflection, I'm not surprised at all.

Having seen the posts above, I agree, this will get nasty.
is this one doing the rounds again ??? well its nearly november the 5th who's gonna light the blue touch paper?? :coffeecup
In before the lock...
i agree with most of it, you move to a new country you obide by that countrys laws. It goes for anyone, be them muslim, christian, black, white, red, whatever. :)
ok lock it.... no hang on
Some of it makes sense, some of it is biggoted gibberish.

I've got no problem with Muslims governing their civil relationship with other muslims under Sharia law, they do so in Canada and it makes no difference to the outside world. It's a well founded commercial principle that the Parties in a cross border relationship should agree on which national jurisdiction governs their relationship, so i can't see this being any different.

On the other hand, in no way can criminal law or non-muslims be governed under Sharia law, that would be unnaceptable to me.

As far as language is concerned, it's my opinion that if you live in Britain, you should at least be able to comunicate in English, same as ex-pat Brits living abroad should make the effort to learn the local language, but many/most don't....
can i leave it to you mods to decide wether to lock if it gets nasty??
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