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I am aware of the Macintosh as a designer / printer / Desktop publishing tool but wonder if there are any other applications which are better suited to the MAC.

I have never seen a large network of MACs running database apps or even word processing departments with them.

An aquaintace constntly has a "pop" at windows running database apps (he has a powerbook)but does not offer any other solution.

What are the views of those that have seen both in action in the wild?
 

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it's dogs vs cats, neither is 'better' than they other, just better suited to some tasks.

eg you'd be very strange indeed to use macs as webservers / database servers etc

but on the other hand, Apples OS is well suited to design apps and publishing


'PCs crash more' is basically incorrect. 'badly looked after PCs crash more' is truer ...

I have three pcs here, two run XP, both have been on for over three months, one is a file server, I'm typing on the other one. the third is my router running linux, that gets rebooted every six weeks or it crashes, but thats down to the software.
 

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didn't we do this last week :D

IMHO (and in the nicest possible way I couldn't give a toss if anyone doesn't agree :D )

on a day to day basis for the average home user... macs are superior... but then they cost more so they should be better :D

you pays your money and makes your choice
 

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spiny said:
it's dogs vs cats, neither is 'better' than they other, just better suited to some tasks.

eg you'd be very strange indeed to use macs as webservers / database servers etc
Well i must be strange as i use one as a db server runing filemaker

Ionly do it cos i can
 

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a little out of date now... from Umberto Eco:

The fact is that the world is divided between users of the Macintosh computer and users of MS-DOS compatible computers. I am firmly of the opinion that the Macintosh is Catholic and that DOS is Protestant. Indeed, the Macintosh is counterreformist and has been influenced by the "ratio studiorum" of the Jesuits. It is cheerful, friendly, conciliatory, it tells the faithful how they must proceed step by step to reach - if not the Kingdom of Heaven - the moment in which their document is printed. It is catechistic: the essence of revelation is dealt with via simple formulae and sumptuous icons. Everyone has a right to salvation.

DOS is Protestant, or even Calvinistic. It allows free interpretation of scripture, demands difficult personal decisions, imposes a subtle hermeneutics upon the user, and takes for granted the idea that not all can reach salvation. To make the system work you need to interpret the program yourself: a long way from the baroque community of revelers, the user is closed within the loneliness of his own inner torment.

You may object that, with the passage to Windows, the DOS universe has come to resemble more closely the counterreformist tolerance of the Macintosh. It's true: Windows represents an Anglican-style schism, big ceremonies in the cathedral, but there is always the possibility of a return to DOS to change things in accordance with bizarre decisions.....

And machine code, which lies beneath both systems (or environments, if you prefer)? Ah, that is to do with the Old Testament, and is Talmudic and cabalistic.

 

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PCs: menial tasks such as data entry, servers, clusters, etc.

Macs: when you want a nice user experience, eg video editing, graphic design, etc.

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peelo said:
a little out of date now... from Umberto Eco:

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Neal Stephenson did it better :)

In the beginning was the command line said:
The analogy between cars and operating systems is not half bad, and so let me run with it for a moment, as a way of giving an executive summary of our situation today.

Imagine a crossroads where four competing auto dealerships are situated. One of them (Microsoft) is much, much bigger than the others. It started out years ago selling three-speed bicycles (MS-DOS); these were not perfect, but they worked, and when they broke you could easily fix them.

There was a competing bicycle dealership next door (Apple) that one day began selling motorized vehicles--expensive but attractively styled cars with their innards hermetically sealed, so that how they worked was something of a mystery.

The big dealership responded by rushing a moped upgrade kit (the original Windows) onto the market. This was a Rube Goldberg contraption that, when bolted onto a three-speed bicycle, enabled it to keep up, just barely, with Apple-cars. The users had to wear goggles and were always picking bugs out of their teeth while Apple owners sped along in hermetically sealed comfort, sneering out the windows. But the Micro-mopeds were cheap, and easy to fix compared with the Apple-cars, and their market share waxed.

Eventually the big dealership came out with a full-fledged car: a colossal station wagon (Windows 95). It had all the aesthetic appeal of a Soviet worker housing block, it leaked oil and blew gaskets, and it was an enormous success. A little later, they also came out with a hulking off-road vehicle intended for industrial users (Windows NT) which was no more beautiful than the station wagon, and only a little more reliable.

Since then there has been a lot of noise and shouting, but little has changed. The smaller dealership continues to sell sleek Euro-styled sedans and to spend a lot of money on advertising campaigns. They have had GOING OUT OF BUSINESS! signs taped up in their windows for so long that they have gotten all yellow and curly. The big one keeps making bigger and bigger station wagons and ORVs.

On the other side of the road are two competitors that have come along more recently.

One of them (Be, Inc.) is selling fully operational Batmobiles (the BeOS). They are more beautiful and stylish even than the Euro-sedans, better designed, more technologically advanced, and at least as reliable as anything else on the market--and yet cheaper than the others.

With one exception, that is: Linux, which is right next door, and which is not a business at all. It's a bunch of RVs, yurts, tepees, and geodesic domes set up in a field and organized by consensus. The people who live there are making tanks. These are not old-fashioned, cast-iron Soviet tanks; these are more like the M1 tanks of the U.S. Army, made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other. But they are better than Army tanks. They've been modified in such a way that they never, ever break down, are light and maneuverable enough to use on ordinary streets, and use no more fuel than a subcompact car. These tanks are being cranked out, on the spot, at a terrific pace, and a vast number of them are lined up along the edge of the road with keys in the ignition. Anyone who wants can simply climb into one and drive it away for free.

Customers come to this crossroads in throngs, day and night. Ninety percent of them go straight to the biggest dealership and buy station wagons or off-road vehicles. They do not even look at the other dealerships.

Of the remaining ten percent, most go and buy a sleek Euro-sedan, pausing only to turn up their noses at the philistines going to buy the station wagons and ORVs. If they even notice the people on the opposite side of the road, selling the cheaper, technically superior vehicles, these customers deride them cranks and half-wits.

The Batmobile outlet sells a few vehicles to the occasional car nut who wants a second vehicle to go with his station wagon, but seems to accept, at least for now, that it's a fringe player.

The group giving away the free tanks only stays alive because it is staffed by volunteers, who are lined up at the edge of the street with bullhorns, trying to draw customers' attention to this incredible situation. A typical conversation goes something like this:

Hacker with bullhorn: "Save your money! Accept one of our free tanks! It is invulnerable, and can drive across rocks and swamps at ninety miles an hour while getting a hundred miles to the gallon!"

Prospective station wagon buyer: "I know what you say is true...but...er...I don't know how to maintain a tank!"

Bullhorn: "You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either!"

Buyer: "But this dealership has mechanics on staff. If something goes wrong with my station wagon, I can take a day off work, bring it here, and pay them to work on it while I sit in the waiting room for hours, listening to elevator music."

Bullhorn: "But if you accept one of our free tanks we will send volunteers to your house to fix it for free while you sleep!"

Buyer: "Stay away from my house, you freak!"

Bullhorn: "But..."

Buyer: "Can't you see that everyone is buying station wagons?"
 

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yeah I forgot Avid always used Macs... not sure if it still does
I think Avid is pretty PC based now. When I've used it it's been on a PC anyway. (So it's crashed a lot, taken hours to render stuff, etc).

Final Cut Pro HD on a Mac Pro will be good - the problem is it costs a lot lot more than the Avid PC setup.
 

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use a pc if yer want to conform to the bush racheme use a mac to be diffrent :bandit:


Every pc user i know has a excuse that a virus has fucked their hardware up. buy a mac and whats a virus ?
 

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Firstly I like PC's and I like Macs. And I use both - in fact I reinstalled OSX on a colleagues iBook today and it was freezing up on her :D

As Spiny said, unreliable PCs are down to people not maintaining them properly, or using cheap and poor quality hardware. Spend the same money on decent PC hardware than you would on a Mac, you wouldn't have a problem :) A £200 PC is going to be crap, no doubt about it.

Since a PC is open-architecture, anybody can make PC hardware. Windows has to cope with that hardware, and the software drivers to control it.

Macs don't have that problem since they are closed architecture - ie, only Apple can make Macs, therefore they can control EXACTLY the hardware used and write their software to work perfectly with them.

The rule is: buy DECENT stuff and take care of it, you won't have a problem :)

BTW, I have a 1986 IBM 5160 XT with a 20MB hard drive. That hasn't been formatted since it was new in September 1986! Works faultlessly. DOS rules :D
 

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i could use a 1986 power pc performa to serv a 3000 user office data base and admin it from home . but i could not do my childs home work on it

Its horses for corses u use what you feel comftable with
 

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we run an estate agency and macs are in our office all networked wirelessly, looks beutifull (in a bernard matthews tone)....

but I have 3 macs at home... am i biased???

for every day web surfing, photo editing, emails and wordproccessing a mac will probably be the better only through ease of use and lack of viruses.
and as said before you dont have to maintain it as much..

but there slightly more expensive,

appart fromhow cute

PC people only look here :moon:
 
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