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Rebushing a solex 34pict3

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Hi readers,
Can anyone tell me how to rebush a solex 34pict3 as mine is leaking. luckily i found a good on off of e-bay for a fiver but i would like to repair my old one.Fuel has been leaking from both sides of the spindle i know someone occasionally sells the spindle bushes on e-bay but im unsure how its done would i have to ream the spindle port/hole.:confused:

cheers
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The original bushes are plastic and just pull out , the guy on e bay sells brass ones and they just push in

watch this
Some are not plastic, they are bronze, depending on what revision of the carb it is (not all 34-pict-3s are identical, they made tiny changes along the line).

Also, be aware that the 'one size fits all' bushes on ebay arnt perfect, as there are slight variations in carb bore diameters and also in spindle diameters.

And, finally, your spindle may be worn oval too.

To do it properly properly you need a machine shop. Fortunately it doesn't take very long. Takes me about an hour.
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OK adi#2 what do you recommend if they are bronze how do you do yours. ie size's
i have access to a milling machine and lathe at work but i need the technique and sizes before i start ideally.
First of all, make sure your carb is a genuine Solex. It should say Solex, Deutsche Vergaser co, Made In Germany on it, or something along those lines. If it says anything else (BACAR, Käfer, Brosol, or any country of origin that's not Germany, or no country of origin at all) throw it in the trash and look for a genuine one.

You have to extract the old bushes, which is reasonably hard if they are bronze. You can try to press or tap them out, one method is to tap a thread in the bush, and then use a long bolt or something, but supporting the carb body during this is always problematic. If you heat the carb body, it helps.

Once you have the bushes out, just measure the resulting bores (as the bronze bushes will no doubt shave some alloy off the sides as they come out, so the diameters could vary), and make a bronze bush to fit in the bore, with a hole in the center roughly the size of the spindle (slightly less). Make the bushes o/d a little bit bigger then the bores, for an interference fit, but only slightly, since those alloy carb castings are really really weak. Do each side separately, don't just measure one side and make two bushes.

Now press the bushes into the casing.

Once they are in, make sure your throttle spindle is not oval, and get an adjustable reamer and ream the insides of the bushes (together, at the same time, using the same reamer through both, to keep it parallel). Take small cuts until you can fit the spindle in using moderate hand-pressure, and you can turn the spindle once it's in position with two fingers, without too much effort. If it has a little preload, its not a problem, as long as you can comfortably turn it with two fingers, stop there. Since on the beetle engine the throttle return spring is quiet powerful, a little too tight is better then a little too loose (since if it's too loose you have to start again).

That's it.

That's how I do it anyway. I gave up doing it with set measurements ages ago, because there are variations in carbs. I just do each one bespoke, like I described.
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Cheers i will give it a go i have nothing to lose.
Bocar and brosol carbs get a bad press from a lot of people but I've had a least half a dozen of these pass through my hands over the years and they've all been fine. In fact the carb I've had the most trouble with is a genuine NOS 34 pict that has never run as well the most oily blackened looking Mexican carb that I've ever seen! They re-bush in the same way as their German equivalents, I'd definitely follow the advice above and make your own, I've done two in phosphor bronze but have recently done another in a chemically stable plastic but haven't run it yet.

What you really need to fear are the no-name 34 pict's that have appeared on the market in the last few years, they look like they were hammered out in some sweatshop in the far east. Nasty.
Have you ever looked at how a BOCAR is constructed?

Clue: Have a look at the prog holes, for a start!

There is a reason they get a bad press.
Mine are both genuine made in germany so i think im starting from a good base.
That's how I do it anyway. I gave up doing it with set measurements ages ago, because there are variations in carbs. I just do each one bespoke, like I described.
hello. im new here, but very valuble info!
have 1 Q?

why not just redrill the both opening oversize (eliminate dimple) to standarized bushes size, press in and them ream inside, rather to measure bushes on each side and try to fit it by outside diameter
I have a set of the bronze bushes no longer required, free to the first person who wants then. just pm me your address and i will pop them in the post.

john
hello. im new here, but very valuble info!
have 1 Q?

why not just redrill the both opening oversize (eliminate dimple) to standarized bushes size, press in and them ream inside, rather to measure bushes on each side and try to fit it by outside diameter
Because bronze bushes are cheap and available and easy to machine, whereas carb castings are precious, hard to find, impossible to make economically, rare, and very fragile.

The bits that hold the bushes are very thin and weak castings, even pressing in bushes which are made to spec can sometimes crack them. I tend to use like, literally almost no interference, or at least tiny amounts, and use thread-lock type stuff. As long as its gas tight and the bush does not just fall out, and the friction of the spindle won't make the bush spin in it's housing, it's good enough. If you are used to rebushing other carbs, these Solex carbs can be a total pain in the ass.

I did a few ball-bearing and O-ring seal conversions for carbs and used on forced induction, and although it was successful, the amount of man-hours it took to do it effectively with the piss-thin castings kind of outweighed the advantages.

I try to NEVER do ANYTHING to the carb castings. They are fragile and I am constantly paranoid about breaking them. Make any components to fit the carb, not the other way around.

The only exception is sometimes I shave off a few 0.001mm to return the flanges to a true parallel fit. I used to have a tiny mill (for making model aircraft engines I think) that was great for that, but unfortunately someone accidentally ran over it and totally shattered it's frame, which sucks. I need to buy a real one really.

Stuff (like lathes and mills and tooling) that's designed for model engineering is perfect for working with carbs.

There are other methods of doing this, but this works for me.
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The spindle bushes on our 34pict3 Bocar were slack but not leaking. I pulled them out. They were a split steel bush so I smeared araldite on the rear and re-installed them. The epoxy took up the play and I now have very smooth operation. I realise that the fix is a bit of a bodge and not true engineering but I have a pair of Dells to fit at some stage and the Bocar was a stop-gap installation.
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