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Just read this article, RE: Madonna having that baby.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6057676.stm

The decision by a Malawian court gives the singer and her husband, film-maker Guy Ritchie, temporary custody of 13-month-old David Banda for 18 months.

A group of charities has tried to stop the adoption.

They say it is unlawful because Madonna has not lived in the country.
So there's a load of people having a major rant about "OMG THE LAW HAS BEEN BENT" and "SHE SHOULDNT HAVE THIS CHILD."

However, here's the thing as I see it.

1) The countries courts have AGREED. It wasn't a kidnap
2) The baby's FATHER agreed.

And more to the point:

On one hand we have a shit hole of a country, covered in AIDS, with little money, medicine and school. On the other hand we have Madonna, a super rich famous person who can cater for the childs every need, give him an excellent education and bring him up in a priviliged society. I'm not saying he'll be your normal kid, but who here would choose poverty over being brought up by a star?

Laws be damned, a child is been given the chance of a good life.
 

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hermand said:
I'm not saying he'll be your normal kid, but who here would choose poverty over being brought up by a star?

Laws be damned, a child is been given the chance of a good life.
Who cares if he'd choose it or not? They are rich, so everything 'must' be ok, huh?
After all most famous offspring are really well balanced .....

Laws be damned indeed. Its only a childs wellbeing at stake!
 

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Clem said:
Who cares if he'd choose it or not? They are rich, so everything 'must' be ok, huh?
After all most famous offspring are really well balanced .....

Laws be damned indeed. Its only a childs wellbeing at stake!
And look at the other option - where you're doing well if you make it to 35 and then dying of AIDS as you orphan off yet another child or two to start the process all over again.
 

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Clem said:
Who cares if he'd choose it or not? They are rich, so everything 'must' be ok, huh?
After all most famous offspring are really well balanced .....

Laws be damned indeed. Its only a childs wellbeing at stake!
Yeah...didnt you here on the news last night..."the child has now left on a flight heading back to the US with one of Madonna's bodyguards"....she cares so much about his welfare, shes not even bothering to fly home with him. :mad:
 

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You don't think this has given the 'big picture' major publicity then?

I also understand she's financing the building of an orphanage and school in Malawi
Yep the £3m donation is a good move. The publicity also, but doing this kidnap/adoption, IMO, she has brought the whole episode down to a selfish celeb level.
Rather than the focus being on the village, I fear all we'll now see is mag shoots of 'Madonna and Guy Slob at home with their 'brahn baby'.'

Lets hope not though?
 

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Imagine you were trying to adopt a child from Malawi and had to wait up to 18 months AND have to spend time LIVING in the country in order to qualify. Whereas Madonna sinply flys in, chooses a child and flies him home within a matter of days. It's not right is it?
 

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Brian Burrows said:
You don't think this has given the 'big picture' major publicity then?

I also understand she's financing the building of an orphanage and school in Malawi
The reason she was there in the first place was to help fight poverty and aids.
 

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Yeah...didnt you here on the news last night..."the child has now left on a flight heading back to the US with one of Madonna's bodyguards"....she cares so much about his welfare, shes not even bothering to fly home with him. :mad:
He didn't fly to the US, he landed at Heathrow early this morning. It was enough of a media frenzy without Madonna at the airport - it would have been an absolute circus had she been there.

It's clear that usual rules have been waived in Madonna's case. These rules are there for a reason - child protection. I have doubts about the wisdom of taking a child out of a country like this - even if it is an 18 month interim adoption.
 

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girlofleisure said:
Imagine you were trying to adopt a child from Malawi and had to wait up to 18 months AND have to spend time LIVING in the country in order to qualify. Whereas Madonna sinply flys in, chooses a child and flies him home within a matter of days. It's not right is it?
Can you make a £3m donation and bring the plight of the country to the headlines, though? Nobody is saying it's 'fair', but like it or not, celeberities have influence and at least she's using hers for good. I can't bring myself to argue against that.
 

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IF the kid is bought up by madonna, I bet he goes on to do a lot of good for his home country.

Classic case of the "rules" getting in the way of common sense.
 

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Clem said:
Yep.
Plucking one kid out of a community helps the big picture how though?
And its the big picture that counts ....
exactly - if she gave a damn about helping kids in Malawi, there are very many much better ways that would have cost less money and been easier to achieve

its selfishness - pure and simple

[and I know she's doing other things, but this adoption farce is what I'm talking about]
 

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The thing is, this particular child has a father and other relatives who are still living. The only reason (allegedly) that the child was handed to the orphanage was because the father was financially unable to care for the child. I think it would be much better for this child if someone (Madonna?) offered financial support so that the father could bring up his own child - and then let Madonna offer a home to a child who has nobody. It's not as if the world is short of truly orphaned children for her to choose from.
 

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wedgedout said:
IF the kid is bought up by madonna, I bet he goes on to do a lot of good for his home country.

Classic case of the "rules" getting in the way of common sense.
I agree, the rules are there to protect the child, in madonnas case they would only be protecting it from the best upbringing money can buy, If it saves one child/future family from the poverty and disease then let it. In the words of Tesco, Every little helps.

~And if every multi millionaire was as thoughtful the world would be in a much better state than it is now.
 

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I can't see any reason whatsover to deny any child that chance.

I always thought Adoption was about the what is best for the child, not the community at large.
 
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