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Karmann beetle vs other cabrio conversions

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4.1K views 13 replies 8 participants last post by  ciscocoms125  
#1 ·
I know almost nothing about cabrios. Out of all the VWs I ever had, only 2 were cabrios, and neither one was a real karmann.

Could anybody give me any pointers as to how to distinguish a Karmann from one of the other conversions? I know 'back yard' conversions are reasonably obvious, but there are some reasonably tidy home-built or non-karmann conversions out there.

So how can I tell if it's a Karmann or not? Did they put a plate somewhere on the car? Or mark it in some way or another? Are there any distinguishing features?

We are talking like mid/late 70s vintage by the way, since most of the reasonably priced cabrios appear to be that age.
 
#2 ·
Look at the door tops on a genuine karmann and u will see they are deeper than a standard door and the have the same profile all the way along the edge.
Other cabrio conversions that I've seen modify the existing doors and so you are left with a little 'up-sweep' above the door handle where they cut the top of the door off. Same applies to the section of body in the B-pillar area.
 
#5 ·
Genuine Karmann cab's are cut just above the decklid, and as such don't have the vented section over the engine, under where the rear screen would be. Most gashed up at home conversions retain this panel. This is the reason vented decklids were conceived originally.

And, as mentioned above, the doors are always a give-away, along with sill strengtheners, wind up rear windows, and also the top of the windscreen surround.
 
#6 · (Edited)
I'd say the quickest check to tell if its a Karmann Beetle is whether the rear quarter windows have chromed window frames that wind-down into the rear quarter panels, I've never seen a DIY job that has these, but I have seen a few converted saloons that at a very brief glance have looked like a genuine Cabrio!
Sure, the lack of air inlet vents under the rear window, big heater channel strengtheners and a taller door waistline are also diagnostic features of a Karmann car, but a 5-second look at the rear 1/4 windows will accurately determine whether the car is a Karmann cabrio 99.9% of the time IMHO.....
And in answer to the OP, yes there is a black enamel badge that says 'KARMANN' that is mounted low down on the offside front quarter panel (irrespective of whether car is LHD or RHD).
Hopefully you can see it in this pic;

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and this is what a close-up of the badge looks like on 1961-79 models;
http://www.justaircooled.co.uk/karmann-side-emblem-beetle-cabriolet.html

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#9 ·
But it could have been out on another chassis!
Spot-on al_kaholik, yes a Karmann cabrio post-1965 should have a chassis number that starts with the numbers '15', but there are a fair few Karmann Beetle bodies knocking around on saloon car chassis (due to age-related rust issues/accident repairs etc etc) so in isolation I wouldn't totally trust just the chassis number to determine whether the vehicle is/isn't a Karmann.......

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#11 ·
Yours is a 1970 model then (1500cc, torsion bar front suspension) :D.

First two numbers of a Karmann cab chassis numbers are 15, whilst the 3rd number is the model year.......so
1965=155
1966=156
1967=157
1968=158
1969=159
1970=150
1971=151 etc etc

Of course a 1975 would also have a chassis number starting 155, but that would be based on a 1303 with IRS etc , rather than the swing-axle 1300 version of 1965.........

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