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Scrap the licence fee – and drag British TV into 21st century

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#1 ·
I totally agree on what this guy has to say. Another dinosaur (like car tax) still going strong unfortunately :mad:

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Scrap the licence fee – and drag British TV into 21st century -

by Allister Heath, City AM
September 9, 2013, 4:08am

THERE is a simple solution to the scandal that is currently engulfing the BBC, centering around the size and scope of payoffs to former staff and the implication that public money was squandered. The answer is to reform the way the BBC is funded, and to allow it to spend its own money hiring and firing people as it sees fit, just like any other company.

Why, in 2013 and in an age where people can download hundreds of thousands of films and TV programmes on demand from around the world, is the corporation still financed through a compulsory (if you want to watch any kind of TV) licence fee? Why do we pay for one of the world’s biggest broadcasters via a tax? Why not finance it via a normal, freely chosen commercial fee, just as we pay for Sky or all sorts of other services?

As the official TV Licensing website puts it, you need a valid TV licence if you watch or record TV “as it’s being broadcast.” This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD recorder – and the requirement applies even if you never watch any of the BBC’s programmes. People who don’t pay their TV licence are prosecuted and punished severely – rather than merely losing access to the service, as would happen to those who stop paying for the Virgin or Sky subs. Of course, the TV licence rules have been superficially updated for the rise of digital media but they remain fundamentally antiquated. They are anathema to the principles of free consumer choice that govern the rest of our society.

The solution, fortunately, is relatively straightforward: Thanks to modern technology and the end of analogue TV, it is easy for broadcasters to exclude those who don’t pay. The BBC’s TV channels and website (including the iPlayer) need to become a subscription service of the sort operated by hundreds of media companies around the world. Most consumers – probably in excess of 85 or 90 per cent – would continue to voluntarily pay the BBC’s fee; the corporation would retain the bulk of its revenues but it would have to do much more to fight for its customers.

A small minority would choose to stop paying, and thus would no longer be able to access any of the BBC’s TV output or its website. They would still be able to watch other TV channels – including those, such as ITV, that are free to view, and those that require paying a subscription. That is the way it should be. Radio might have to be treated a little differently because it might be harder to exclude non-payers for the time being, but the difficulties are not insurmountable.

Other features of the BBC need not change – the corporation should still seek to be balanced and could still refuse to run adverts. But the BBC would suddenly face much stronger market incentives, could no longer be accused of using taxpayer-financed content to compete unfairly with its private sector rivals (including on the internet) and would gain far greater autonomy over spending decisions because its income would no longer be provided via a tax. It’s certainly the sort of proposal the coalition should be debating ahead of the BBC’s Royal Charter renewal in 2016.

Your thoughts?
 
#2 ·
I couldn't disagree more.

The BBC (including all the radio stations, etc.) is very good value for money IMO.

France has a licence fee, that is about the same cost - WITHOUT a national (ad-free) broadcaster.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Yep, I'm with Dave & Brian. It's not perfect but I do use their services every day and not just Tv. With ad breaks getting longer, more frequent and seemingly at the same time on other channels it's quite a nice haven from that too.

I think it's a bargain at £12pm.
 
#7 ·
Ad breaks can be fast-forwarded through. Its not as if the BBC doesn't advertise it's own programmes anyway?

Seriously though, it's not about the money as for some it may seem value-for-money but imho the public should have a choice whether it wants to pay for it or not?
 
#9 ·
Allister Heath runs a free newspaper that has been in existance for nearly 2000 editions so far due to being a business and getting advertisers to pay to be in the newspaper.

I'd just like to say I find the City AM a much more interesting read than any other paper - it is relevant to business and has a lot of interesting articles in it.
 
#6 ·
Thing is (as mentioned in the article) I don't watch BBC TV, I don't listen to BBC radio stations, it has no relevance to me, but unlike many other marketplaces I have to pay the fee or I would be prosecuted?

Why is it good for the BBC but not for Sky, Virgin etc. etc.?

The BBC is so antiquated it is laughable. They do not provide an all-round service like Sky/Virgin (eg. TV, broadband, mobile phone).

They still have only 4 TV channels, 2 of those that don't start until 7pm in the evening ffs! They are still stuck in the 1980's, and back in the 1980s because they had a monopoly they were still crap. Thank god for ITV and Channel 4 back in those days to actually shake up the establishment.

There are other choices (Sky etc.) but we're forced to have BBC whether we like it or not. Other than not watching TV at all, its a case of pay up or be prosecuted.
 
#10 ·
Some of the hundreds and hundreds of programmes your contributor alludes to are BBC programmes commissioned by producers who are BBC employees. Many of our favourite programmes would not have been made, or lasted more than 1 season (so called US term) due to demand on viewing figures from the off. BBC2 was the traditional proving ground for new talent before transferring to BBC1. Now, digital channels such as BBC3&4 allow that same process to continue, thereby giving us high quality viewing for our small change licence fee.

I hardly watch any Sky1 programmes 'cos their so formulaic and US biased in style and content, I hate them tbh.

I think there should be a diversion of VAT on tv sales towards the Beeb to lessen the burden on rising licence fees, but not a complete change to commercially run.
 
#21 ·
Some of the hundreds and hundreds of programmes your contributor alludes to are BBC programmes commissioned by producers who are BBC employees. Many of our favourite programmes would not have been made, or lasted more than 1 season (so called US term) due to demand on viewing figures from the off. BBC2 was the traditional proving ground for new talent before transferring to BBC1. Now, digital channels such as BBC3&4 allow that same process to continue, thereby giving us high quality viewing for our small change licence fee.

I hardly watch any Sky1 programmes 'cos their so formulaic and US biased in style and content, I hate them tbh.

I think there should be a diversion of VAT on tv sales towards the Beeb to lessen the burden on rising licence fees, but not a complete change to commercially run.
I concur. :)
 
#15 ·
It's supposed to be, yes, but watch the news and its like reading the Daily Mail eg. they are anti-muslim in the way they broadcast stories that are anything to do with that religion.

Now I'm not saying the programming wouldn't change if they actually had to earn their money but how come it's one rule for the BBC and another for everyone else?

Thank the lord for Sky and Virgin, at least you have choice with them.
 
#23 ·
Don't get me wrong guys, I think the BBC has its place, but at least it would be nice to have the choice not to pay for it/watch it if you want to. My main reason for this is for them to change their programming, or they can just leave it as it is.

It would be nice to see a bit of transparency ie. how much of the fee actually goes to the BBC? I may be harsh in my criticism of the BBC if like petrol 3/4 of the money goes to the Govt.?

I can't say I've seen any figures on the breakdown of the license fee, anyone else?
 
#58 ·
You do have the choice?
Just don't watch live TV? Watch iPlayer etc.
 
#26 ·
FOP

I'm not sure why you're fixated on number of channels, but you seem to have missed the 60+ radio stations available and the internet with iPlayer and iPlayer radio

I wouldn’t focus on quantity rather than quality, an area that the BBC as a whole does really rather well in.
 
#30 ·
FOP

I'm not sure why you're fixated on number of channels, but you seem to have missed the 60+ radio stations available and the internet with iPlayer and iPlayer radio

I wouldn't focus on quantity rather than quality, an area that the BBC as a whole does really rather well in.
Dont' get me wrong mate, I haven't even mentioned other than the lack of BBC channels anything about number of channels.

I feel on sky there are too many channels and I'd love to delete quite a few of them - anyone found a way to do that?!

I only listen to 2 different streaming channels - pointblank.fm and passionlive.co.uk. If I wanted more I know of other stations that play all sorts of music. There's the choice.

Iplayer - does it still have its limit on the length of time you can play things back for, and doesn't it stick adverts in for other shows if you're not watching something live?

OK Sky/Virgin doesn't give me music, but there are a lot of music channels on there, including ones with videos as well.

So is it all down to cost? With Sky I pay £60pm but I feel I'm getting value for money as I have choice. With the BBC its what, £160 per year but I don't?
 
#33 ·
The BBC Tranmitted the worlds first HD TV service in August 1936 technically ;)
Teletext
Video recorders where not invented by the BBC Correct but we could record programs and fast foward adverts over 30 years ago. Yes it's "easier" now with Sky+ etc. But the actual recording and fast forwarding have been available most of my life.
BBC and Sky both started HD in May 2006
 
#34 ·
Far better TV over here than in Australia thanks to the BBC and licence fee. The Oz equivalent is always having to bow and kowtow to the government of the day as they know they'll lose funding if they don't. The commercial channels out there are even worse than the ones here since they know that there is no strong producer of quality programs to compete against.
 
#35 ·
The BBC have provided us with some good telly over the years and I'm sure I'm not alone when I say some of my all time favourites were funded by the BBC in one way or another.

However my issue with the licence fee is when I moved in to a new build house they were sending me letters within a matter of days telling me I needed to purchase a licence or risk prosecution. I didn't even have an ariel up or unpacked the moving boxes!

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#36 ·
However my issue with the licence fee is when I moved in to a new build house they were sending me letters within a matter of days telling me I needed to purchase a licence or risk prosecution. I didn't even have an ariel up or unpacked the moving boxes!
They were doing that when my uncle was building a house and it wasn't much past the footings stage!

But that's not a BBC issue though, its' a license thing.

Again, I'd like to know how much of the license fee actually goes to the BBC? Maybe it's 10% and the rest goes to the Govt. :lol:
 
#41 · (Edited)
Interesting license fee figures etc. from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensing_in_the_******_Kingdom

Over £5billion in 2012-2013 taxation.
Free license for the over 75s (BB would be alright if he was in the UK then ;->)
Half price licence for the blind = WTF? Why not free?

"The licence fee is classified as a tax, and evasion is a criminal offence. Since 1991, collection and enforcement of the licence fee is the responsibility of the BBC in its role as TV Licensing Authority. The BBC pursues its licence fee collection and enforcement under the trading name "TV Licensing", but subcontracts much of the task to commercial organisations."

Hmmm....
 
#42 ·
Funky - Your arguement states you reckon you get great value for money thro' Sky but then you say you'd love to delete some of the channels ... you know youre paying for them, right?

You already state you watch on demand and have to skip 50% of the run time to watch the show ... you think thats a good thing?

You moan that the BBC dont provide other services such as phone lines and broadband services ... thats not theyre business, they dont do holidays like Virgin either ;)
 
#47 ·
Hello mate. That's the thing, I do feel I get vfm from sky because I watch (recorded) a lot of shows on there, and they're programmes I just wouldn't see on the bbc.

Sky has a lot of bloke-orientated channels now which I think is great. I like programmes like:

Storage Wars/Hunters, Baggage Battles, Swamp People, F n L, Texas Car Wars, BMX'ing, X-games etc. etc. which you just don't get on the BBC - they have no interest in showing programmes like that. It just doesn't seem to have any relevance to me, which is why I would like to opt out. Even the Mrs just watches Wimbledon on it and little else, watching all the tennis she can watch on Sky Sports and other entertainment stuff like Fashion Police etc.

al Jazeerha tv, Bollywood films, Africa channel etc? Nope, not too relevant to me but it is to some people and it's nice to have the choice.

Its not about quantity of channels, its about choice. I series record all the above, and every night I can spend a quality hour just going through the recordings I've made.

I'm not moaning that the BBC doesn't provide other services, but it shows what can be provided if it were run as a business eg. Sky, Virgin, even BT is getting in on the act now it has to pay its way.

The cuddly old BBC is just a big old dinosaur I'm afraid. And it would be nice to opt out of it without being branded a criminal or losing all legal tv viewing rights.

If I cancelled tomorrow I'd be getting letters off the BBC saying I must pay my bill etc.

Remember when Sky came out and a lot of people got it because they didn't have to pay the license (even though it costed more per month) - then the law was changed so you HAD to get a tv license even though you had a dish. I remember it well....
 
#43 ·
The BBC provides quailty programming and top notch investigative journalism that wouldn't get made if it was on commercial TV. Sky provides utter shite mostly, with the exception of good sport coverage and some drama. 'When dogs attack', 'When neighbours go bad' type dross on 100 channels with 20 mins of adverts every hour, on top of your subscription? what a joke!

It's also worth remembering that most of the people who moan about the licence fee are quite happy to listen to Radio 2 all day to avoid the mind-numbingly moronic ads you get on commercial radio.
 
#77 ·
I also dislike being forced to pay for the BBC.


I have SKY and I pay for the channels that I chose to watch.
There is a few good shows on the BBC but I what little time that I have to watch TV,I spend them watching the Discovery Channels.
Having said that,I happily spend a few quid funding BBC Radio stations.
 
#84 ·
It just would be nice to have the option not to view/listen to it, and not to get a criminal record for doing so.

Is that too much to ask in 2013?

The article said probably 80+% of people would still pay for it so what's the BBCs problem?

Control freaks with Govt. backing! :lol:
 
#86 ·
It just would be nice to have the option not to view/listen to it, and not to get a criminal record for doing so.
Don't have a TV then. You have to pay to use a TV whether you watch the BBC or not. If the BBC did not exist you would still have to pay the licence fee. So the fact you get something back for your expenditure is a good thing surely.